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KileAnderson
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 Posted - 12/01/2002 : 13:42:16
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Directly from Rush's own website:
"We're engaged in the arena of ideas, and that's an ongoing battle. Am I saying I want to annihilate liberals on a global basis now, a global war on liberalism? No, I'm not saying I want to annihilate anybody. But I do want to prevail within the arena of ideas; this is a political war that's never going to end. There are going to be battles and skirmishes that you win and that you lose. But when you win, just as when you lose, you have to do an honest assessment as to why. Otherwise you can't keep winning, and you won't correct the mistakes you made when you lose.
Now, which of the following do you think is the most egregious and shrill allegation? My calling Daschle an obstructionist, or Hillary Clinton accusing the president of knowing what was going to happen on 9-11, and doing nothing to stop it? Which one got all the attention and why? What I said about Daschle got all the attention. But why? Because he whined about it. Did anybody in the administration whine about what Hillary said? Did they complain? Did they call a press conference and say this is irresponsible, and what she said was causing bad things to happen to them, blah, blah blah? You didn't hear a word about it from the administration, did you? Just think about it. "
Now I am in no way saying that I believe and agree with every little thing Rush says. I'm merely quoting him here in response to earlier allegations that Rush is all about hate. Nothing can be further from the truth. Hate is the exclusive domain of the left. They hate rich people, they hate people who don't need government handouts to survive, they hate anyone who questions their maniacle assumptions about global warming, they hate anyone who asks them to back up their statements with actual facts. To the liberals facts mean nothing. Feelings are what matter. If you feel you are being discriminated against then you are. If you feel that you have been sexually harrased then you have been. Facts mean nothing to them. |
Edited by - KileAnderson on 12/01/2002 13:44:09 |
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fivedaily
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 17:07:07
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Political debate isn't as much fun when everyone agrees with you. Is there anyone out there with views counter to me, Kyle, Justin, or anyone else posted above? I'll try to avoid the ad hominem arguments if you can post rational explanations for your stance. Empirical evidence helps too.
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olderthendirt
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 17:07:18
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| ahh the rightfull and resounding wrath of the replublican right. Did I say Rush is about hate, not quite what I said is that the way he says things make those who hate feel empowered. We got onto unions, they were once needed and once a good idea, now they prevent change and groth, and their leaders enrichment. They have become conservative in nature. The truth is that neither the left or right are completley correct, they both have good ideas and an effective government steels from both sides. Some of the greatess weaknesses I see in this country, labour unions lobbists lawyers and uncontrolled spending on elections. And thank heavens we have the freedom to talk like this, but if the extremists of the left or the right ever get control, we will lose that freedom in a hurry. ps is Rush a misogamist or does he just appeal to misogamists? And one last Rush comment, he was much more enjoyable a few years ago when he was tongue in cheek, now he even belives his own hype. |
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fivedaily
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 17:14:08
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I have always enjoyed the entertaining value of Rush, but like all things can only take him in moderation.
Mark, you are right that neither side is completely right. They both have issues. That's why I have aligned myself with the Libertarian platform.
Like you, I am greatly appreciative that I live in a country which recognizes my right to say these things and to openly criticize the government. The thing that irritates me the most about the religious right is their desire to control actions behind a moral curtain. I am a Christian myself, but do not see laws and regulations as the way to control the moral (or immoral as the case may be) actions of my fellow citizens.
My best example of this... I think that the war on drugs is a losing battle. This country spends more money every year and the only result is the problem gets worse. Take away the cloak and dagger nature of drug dealing and there will be less death and law enforcement will have more time to concentrate on real crimes.
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KileAnderson
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 18:16:46
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| Good point Jennifer. My agreement with the Republican party pretty much ends when Pat Robertson tries to speak for the party. I think it was in the early 80's with the emergence of the Moral Majority that the Republicans let the televangelists mix politics and religion. That is never a good idea. And as far as the drug war goes I think it is the most amoral thing this government has ever done. It has taken an entire generation of young men and put them behind bars for what is essentially a victimless crime. I also feel the same way about prostitution and gambling. The government has no right to tell people what they can do with their own money or bodies, but that is a whole new can of worms. |
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olderthendirt
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 19:01:08
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| We all have the right to act as we wish, as long as we respect the rights of others to do as they wish. That is the TRUE liberal idea! not the crap that Democrates are accused off, and sometimes are guilty of. Five, how right you are, the US has one of the highest incarerstion rates in the known world, and much of it is relates to drugs, how many billions are spent on it each year. and what do we get for our money, except a few jobs. |
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fivedaily
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 20:39:09
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I have found that Reason magazine (http://www.reason.com) is an excellent source for counter-journalism. It tells the stories that mainstream media doesn't. Now, while I would not abuse my own body with narcotics that are currently illegal, that doesn't mean their illegality is correct. Prohibition of narcotics is working pretty much the same way prohibition of alcohol worked -- the only difference is who is affected and damaged by this so called 'war on drugs'.
Here is an excellent review of 2 books on this exact subject. If you don't already subscribe, I highly recommend this as an alternative source of news. The review is long, but it gets better the further down you go.
http://reason.com/9905/bk.js.high.shtml
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olderthendirt
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 21:39:50
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| Drugs are dangerous so is booze and tobacco the legal drugs, so is vallium. We will always have those who abuse any drug legal or other wise. Ask Clayton who many Canadian multi millionaires got there money from the proabition. Now we are supporting the third world, it's the trickle down effect works about as well there as it did here. But the downside, all those specialized police officers might have to do something else, maybe fight real crime. And what would we do with all those empty prison cells? But we better be carefull these could be confused with liberal idea and therefore inspired by satan. I did see an early comment suggesting only the democratic say hatefully things, I guess I was wrong what I toom for hate and vemon was a few simple truths, as they came form Republicans they must be truths. |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2002 : 21:59:10
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| Mark, please don't confuse conservatives with Republicans, the words are not interchangeable. |
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fivedaily
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2002 : 23:06:51
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Kile is right. I am most definetly a CONSERVATIVE, and anything but a REPUBLICAN.
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JimF
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 00:13:41
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What a divisive topical thread in a world already divided enough by the specialized self interests we all hold.
Not a topic that is going to change one single mind nor provide anything but an outlet for what is otherwise wrong with the world.
Neither party has a monopoly on integrity nor honesty, and the truth of that is not missed by anyone who turned on their television during the past election cycle.
Oh once upon a time there were great men in our Congress of both parties who could debate issues and disagree on principles without the current unprincipled attacks on person. Where are the Ev Dirksen, Howard Baker, Sam Nunn, Sam Ervin, Jacob Javit, Chuck Percy, Birch Bayh, Frank Church, Wayne Morse, Barry Goldwater and other similar great senators who left the Senate at disgust with the downward trends in respect for disagreement?
The 'liberals' you invite to join in your dialogue have better things to do than subject themselves to what surely lays in wait for your ripping apart over your baited fields.
They used to throw Christians to the lions. Now they call it politics.
Is it any wonder that Americans are fed up with all of it regardless of party or label and voice their opinion by staying away from the polls?
All you're doing here is continuing the same old same old which we all are tired of hearing from the state houses, white houses and congress of what was once 'our' government. Now it is the 'government' of big monied special interests.
Ya'll have fun now you hear! |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2002 : 00:41:00
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| What's wrong Jim? Debate is what this thread is about. All opinions are welcomed here. Even if they are wrong. (That was said tongue in cheek, by the way. I know liberals have no sense of humor.) |
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Gale
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 11:50:58
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| Debating is not about changing the minds of others as much as hearing one's self speak is it? |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2002 : 12:36:10
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| Debating is about who has the facts and who's opinions are based solely on feelings. The facts always win. |
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olderthendirt
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 14:12:42
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| LOL and of course your side only has the facts. |
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