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CCarr
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 Posted - 10/09/2002 : 22:07:35
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Wes, welcome to CADO.
Only an assumption on my part, but your comments suggest you may not have the State Farm study guides. I strongly recommend to anyone who has gone through the SF IDL process, to next get all the study guides. They will be an invaluable resource to you for years to come.
The Wind / Hail study guide contains contains the SF Basic Estimating study guide. In that section they have 10 practice "exercises", with answers calculated they way they want it done.
One of those questions, #3 in exercise #6, is the calculation of replacement squares for 220# composite shingles. The answer is nicely laid out, incorporating the 10% they allow for waste.
Turning to carpet, they have a section on that, that is presented clearly on how they approach this type of estimating; as follows.
"Carpet is measured by one of two methods, roll method and waste method.
Roll method - carpet comes in a variety of widths, with 12' to 15' widths being the most common. The roll method is the 'real world' way carpet is measured. This method involves figuring square yardage, while considering how the carpet will actually be laid. This is the most accurate method you can use. A principal consideration is where to seam the carpet.
This is the preferred method for measuring carpet.
Waste method - the easiest way to measure carpet is to calculate the exact square footage and add a waste factor, usually 10%. However, this is not the preferred method for measuring carpet.
Measuring the carpet pad - carpet pad can be pieced in and does not have to be seamed or laid in a specific way like carpet does. Therefore, the pad is figured by the square yard, with no waste factor."
I trust that answers those two questions, as per the SF way.
Again, anyone, new in anyway to claims, with the intention of getting SF certified, basically must get the study guides - and study them.
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2002 : 00:28:58
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| Well, I got rid of my pile of duplicate entries. I apologize to those that were exposed to them. I couldn't get the post to seemingly enter and I kept pounding enter to try and load the post - only to find out later it was entering each time. |
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slowhandfan
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2002 : 01:27:33
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| On the State Farm basic estimatics exam, they will figure carpet with the 12' roll factor everytime. The study guides are a must if you are going to take the test. The only problem that I ran into is the time limit on the second (wind/hail) test. If you follow the study guides you should not have any trouble. |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 14:06:40
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For those who have inquired, I did in fact make a post to this thread under the screen name "JFlynt" in order to save my friend Newt some time and trouble in discovering what I had already learned.
"JFlynt"
a/k/a Jim Flynt
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 15:59:52
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Oops.
The post I made last week under this thread was made under the screen name "JimF" and not as "JFlynt".
"JimF"
a/k/a Jim Flynt
Greensboro, NC |
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Linda
USA
127 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 17:08:52
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Newt, be careful on your wind/hail exam. They may give you a hip roof with a tiny and I do mean tiny gable on it. In the real world, all of the roof would probably get the 15% waste factor but NOT on this test. You must calculate the waste factor of 15% on the hip slopes and 10% on the gable and then add them together. Unless you know Xactimate, then it is doubtful you can pass the test. Please for the sake of your sanity and ours--get the study guides and memorize them!
Your sponsoring vendor may provide them to you at no cost or they may request payment for them. I understand but am not certain SF charges the vendors for these study guides.
Good luck.
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JSVenning
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 17:47:08
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| Welcome back, Jim |
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Wes
USA
62 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 19:59:48
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| Are the State Farm study guides not what I recieved at my IDL. During the IDL I recieved a package with some sample exterior and interior calculations to do as well as a sample pricing guide. For the wind and hail test they simply said to study the policy. If anyone has any more specific State Farm study material that they no longer need I would gladly send a check your way to help defray your costs for this material. I did notice that on the Eberels website there is a reference to a new updated State Farm study guide as of July 2001. Please keep these State Farm tips coming as I will be taking my exams within the next few weeks. |
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 20:25:17
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Hi Wes, I do not believe what you got at the IDL is the SF study guides. As Linda said, these are available through whatever vendor sponsored you to the IDL.
There are four SF study guides that I know of.
(1) Wind / Hail, about 1'' thick, and includes Basic Estimating Guide
(2) Commercial, about 3/4" thick
(3) Flood, about 1 1/4" thick
(4) Earthquake, about 1/2" thick
As I said, as did Linda, and it is worth repeating again, they have to be studied and absorbed prior to you taking the exam you choose; and I believe they do become a useful addition to your claims library.
Good vendors with SF ties, will have a supply of these guides, more than likely your sponsoring vendor does.
Best of luck. |
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Todd_Summers
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 23:19:23
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Wes,
Welcome to CADO !!!!
If your sponsor is Eberls, just call them and they will send you the study guides. They do charge for them, but you MUST have them to pass these tests. They will give you some answers but not all... it isn't like Leonards Training School. It is a little tough. I passed the wind/hail with ease but almost had to retake the "Basic Estimatics (Large Loss). Don't let the name fool ya.
Wes, good luck and email me if I can help you further. |
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Todd_Summers
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 23:26:29
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By the way , if you are who I think you are, you will pass the Basic Estimatics with the same ease that I passed the wind/hail as your experience is more extensive in rebuild as mine was when I took the test.
Again, welcome. |
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Linda
USA
127 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2002 : 23:30:14
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| I believe SF has discontinued the Earthquake and the Flood exams. Please check with your sponsoring vendor to make sure you have the newest study guides. They aren't kidding about the time limits either. When I took mine the longest one had the least time to complete. |
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tomgriffin56
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2002 : 00:05:26
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When I checked with the testing center about the SF test approx. 8 months ago they were
only offering the Wind/Hail and Basic Estimatics. When I asked the girl to check on it for me
she called the SF center that prepares the tests.
They would not give her much detailed info, but did state that for now the other tests would be
offered when and if they were necessary "on site". I think they were sliding back into their
CAT Team mentality and trying to get away from all IAs.
Also, IMHO, you do need the study guides to take these tests. I bought them
when they were still doing all the tests and I believe they cost approx. $75. Well worth it for
reference materials. |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 08:23:55
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Thanks JSVenning for your warm welcome comment.
While I have largely transitioned back to my old career as a real estate developer here in Greensboro, I will continue to monitor the debates and discussions here and will post whenever my input can add positive insight to an issue or discussion.
I will also be happy to answer questions or assist in any way any of the cat adjusters by private email communications. |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2002 : 11:23:43
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I have not heard a thing of my request for study guides. My first phase is training and the second is for the test, which is going to be at a different location. They don't tell you very much. I have been accepted for the class and received confirmation. I had the xactimate course and it is still sort of complicated, I haven't had enough hands on experience. If I am not ready for the test, I wont take it because of the time, travel and expense wasted.
I have xactimate on my computer so I will continue working on that. I thank everyone for your input, it gives me an insight into what to expect and some idea of how much prep. to do. Sounds to me like I have my work cut out. I took the FWUA with the CDs and thought it was well done. The last I heard the Flood program may go that route, I hope so.
Jim F, we miss your words of wisdom, and wish the best for you in your latest challenge. If I make it up for another family reunion maybe we can grab a cup of coffee. My family settled in NC and SC after the Rev. War, around Gibsonville,NC and Marlborough county SC. A lot of them live in Charlotte now. We have a reunion at Newtonville in Marlborough County SC it is about a quarter mile from the line. Most of the plantations are still intact and grow soybeans instead of tobacco. The old tobacco barns still stand as a reminder of what was once a hard working life style.
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