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10/09/2006 1:25 PM
    I hope all remember how to set up their ladders to prevent ladder accidents.
    A safety scenario: Ladder safety while in transport.
    Our ladders are a necessary tool in order to complete claim assignments. How we carry our ladders is a vital safety concern also. I have seen adjusters put long ladders in the pick up bed with no red flags on the end and do not secure them from flying out of the bed while in transport. That scenario is an accident looking for a place to happen.

    Always red flag your ladder tail if it extends further than 3 feet from your tailgate. Always secure the ladder in the bed so it will not lift out and fall on the road. There were several people killed last week when a firemans ladder came loose from his truck, and landed in the road. A car hit the ladder and large truck, causing loss of control of the vehicles, resulting in head on collisions and fatalities. There is not enough insurance coverage in the world to handle this type of scenario, plus having to live with yourself because your negligence caused the loss of life. The driver had the ladder secured with an old rope that obviously failed due to age and deterioration. Straps will also deteriorate with age. Both should be replaced at least once a year to prevent this possiblity.

    I would highly recommend everyone use plastic coated steel cables so deterioration and strength would not be a factor. It may cost a little more, but the satisfaction of safety should be the reward. Ladder racks are not necessarily the answer, as you have to tie in the ladder there too, unless you have a metal mechanical safety device.

    Common sense safety should always be applied, no matter what kind of hurry you are in.


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    10/10/2006 10:42 PM
    Yes and I for one can honestly say, dont be in a hurry to "GET ON THE ROOF" and get the job done. Make sure you set your ladder up with at least 3' above the top rung past the roof line, and make sure when you step onto the roof, that you have a sure foot.

    Its like Mr. Toll said....Common scense!
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    10/11/2006 1:40 AM
    Never ever place the ladder on concrete of asphalt.Grass is preferable. After 15 years and a bunch of roofs, I fell off of a ladder for the 1st time in 15 years, because I got careless at the end of the day & put mine on concrete. I had "shake"tested it on the way up & it was fine. I did my roof measurements,photos & diagram. I placed one foot on it to see if it was sturdy, which it appeared to be. As soon as my 2nd foot went on the ladder,it slipped from under me. I fell off of a 9' roof, flat onto concrete & cracked my head & elbow. That was 2 days before Thanksgiving.I was more fortunate than some & only ended up with a cantelope sized elbow with 3 stiches, but I may not be so lucky next time. I could have cracked my skull.It was a real wake up call, which I definitely have heeded since.Hopefully everyone will put their safety first, because no amount of money in the world can replace our health & well being. STAY SAFE !!!
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    10/11/2006 11:04 AM
    Amen Gordon! [b] [/b]
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    10/11/2006 2:28 PM
    I would add to utilize the same routine each and every time that you secure your ladder after use. On a recent event in MN, I allowed myself to get distracted not once, but several times by the Insured and did not secure my 24' ladder on the top of my van. Fortunately, I was able to catch it each time, but not before driving down the road for some distance. Routine is so important to me in the things that are important..if that makes sense! I make sure that if once down from the roof, I will either immediatley put my ladder back up or lay it down in the grass so that it does not blow over or give someone small a chance to climb.
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    10/11/2006 4:52 PM
    If anyone is interested I have some ladder safety info I use during training. Send me email requesting same and I'll return. Many ladders slip because the base is too far from the house.
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    10/15/2006 10:40 PM
    Good discussion.
    I would also recommend using a tie off on the gutter spike to prevent the ladder from falling over. I used a flexible tie purchased at Home Depot to tie my ladder off every time when possible. They come two to a pack and are about 24" long.
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    10/15/2006 11:19 PM
    Always good to bring up this topic, to keep it fresh. Those interested should also check out this thread from earlier this year: http://www.catadjuster.org/forum/tm.asp?m=22062 Lots of good info, if that link doesn't work for you, do a search using the words "ladder safety" on the forum archive.
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    10/21/2006 7:51 AM
    I have the feet of my two ladders taped so that the spikes of the feet are pointing down. This is to make be alot smarter when there is no access to the roof from the dirt side. As I would need to cut the tpae to access the rubber feet.
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    10/21/2006 3:24 PM
    Another point: Always walk to the structure with the ladder held horizontal to the ground surface. Upon reaching the point you wish to set up the ladder, look up to make sure there are no power lines in the area or lifting track of your ladder being placed on the structure.

    I had a friend, years ago that did not do this and upon raising his ladder, it hit an electrical line that was bare. Unfortunately, he did not survive the electrical shock. Wires are insulated, but objects near wiring can rub the insulation off, unbeknownst to an observer. Use your common sense, as what can happen will happen if you are not observant and conscious of your surroundings.
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    10/27/2006 12:00 PM
    What is the opinion out there regarding the telescopic ladders used mostly for the double pulls?? I have a friend that loves his, no problems, but I spoke to another adjuster and his collapsed while he was on it.  Of course, if you don't lock it properly, this will happen, but I wonder if it was user error or a structural defect.............
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    10/27/2006 1:39 PM
    The only thing I use my telescopic ladder for now is to get into the attic through closet access hatches and even then I have to be REALLY careful not to hit the release buttons on the underside of the rungs as I climb up because the thing will collapse -- and I have to make double sure all the rungs are locked before I climb up in the first place. I used it for double pulls in the beginnning before I learned from experience it can collapse -- its not worth the potential injury/death for me to take it back up any more on a roof.

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    10/27/2006 10:01 PM
    An excellent thing to do is to bring your cell phone on the roof with you in case the ladder falls or someone swipes it. I spoke to an adjuster once who said he was on the rear slope, when someone came up to the front of the house & swiped his ladder. At least he was able to call someone to help him get off of the 2 story roof. I always bring my subglasses. Sun can be glaring.It is important to see what you are walking on.It also gets a bit hot. I wear a sweat band around my forehead to keep the sweat from blinding me.
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    10/31/2006 9:34 AM
    Another tip for safety on ladder; sometimes the ground is wet, so are the sole of your shoes, and climbing the ladder, you will have a chance to slip. I've got from home depot a 3M safety walk outdoor tread.(it look and feel like shingle material 2" wide works great). you cut it to the size of your steps, pleel the back and apply firmly the strip onto the steps of the ladder; it does make a lot of difference climbing (grasp from the sole of the shoes to the srip). you will have some left over for sure. I took the left over, cut into strip of the width of my flipcase board (the one you carry with your forms, et all), applied them in the back of the case. >>> you can leave your board on the slope of the roof, it will not slide <<< how many times we are on the roof, put the clip board on the slope, and there it goes, on the ground. Not in that case. Or get a hook belt (passload framing nailer hook belt) and hook your clip board to it, so your hands are free when you climb and do your roof scope. ,
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    11/02/2006 11:50 AM
    Before we got the pick up, we used our suburban to haul the 28" ladder. While is was a hassle to tie down the ladder using the four corners of the roof rack, it took the fear of the ladder falling off out of the equasion. Now with the pick up and its rack, there is the cable around the middle bracket and tie down on another. The cable like Tom said will last a lot longer and for us, slows down anyone who wants to steal it.

    Jean Paul made a great point about the 3M safety tread. It also works great on running boards of trucks and the back step of the bumper. Don't slip getting the ladder off and same for getting into the truck when it is wet.
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    11/02/2006 2:26 PM

    Per an adjuster I just got off the phone with “use your own ladder”. While all know this it can be tempting at times. The ladder collapsed and he broke a leg in three places and a lot of metal was used to put the pieces back together. Since it was only a couple weeks ago he will be grounded for a while. He is thankful he is otherwise OK and will be able to keep managing his growing IA firm.

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    12/14/2006 11:00 AM

    Ladder Safety 101:  Lesson One

    Do not use this ladder!  It doesn't matter if you weigh 80 pounds.  I repeat, Do not use this ladder!

     

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    12/14/2006 11:33 AM
    Looks like it might by an unsafe ladder. Wonder if it is still under warranty.
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    01/05/2007 2:05 PM
    Thats a good technique Dave. It is coming upon storm season again, so now is the time for ladder maintenance. Pull your ladders out, make sure all the rungs are secure, lubricate the joints, particularly on the little giants and knock offs. Clean the slides and put a light coat of talcum power on the slides, not too much and then wipe it down. Make sure the rubber on the feet  are in good condition too.
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    03/20/2007 5:03 PM
    Ladder Safety 101: Lesson Two

    Ya know those claim examiners that are convinced that every roof must be climbed -- no matter what?

    Last night I found out where they receive their training. The dish network went out at 11PM. When it was still attempting to acquire a satellite signal at 11:30PM, I called dish network. I fought my way through the computer voice offering me multitudes of options until, finally, at 11:43 I reached an actual person. I explained the problem. She asked me if we were having bad weather. I told her it was winter in Scranton, PA, and there wasn't a blizzard or anything so I guessed it was as good as we could expect. She asked me if the satellite dish had ice and snow on it. I told her that I guessed it had ice and snow on it for the last two months, but the problem only started 45 minutes ago. Then she told me to go look at the satellite dish. I told her it was on the roof. She then told me (and I do not embellish here) that I was "going to have to go up on the roof". I told her that it was almost midnight and there was six to eight inches of snow on the roof. She again repeated her mandate, "Well, you're going to have to go up on the roof and look at the dish."

    Here's lesson two, folks. Don't go up on a snow covered gable roof at midnight, even if some desk jockey tells you that you must. Do what I did. Laugh at her! I know she makes minimum wage sitting in a cubicle in some second world country, but just simply laugh at her, nonetheless.

    Then wait for spring so you can once again watch TV.
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    03/20/2007 9:43 PM

    Steve--

    The next time that happens, set your receiver to the Spice Network.  The dish will heat up and give you good reception again.

     

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    03/22/2007 11:48 AM
    Has anyone used the telescoping ladder Telesteps? If so, are they safe? Thanks.
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    03/22/2007 6:00 PM
    ro ry, no, they are not!!!!!!!
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    03/23/2007 12:54 AM
    Hi Tom, Why do you dislike telesteps?
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    03/26/2007 5:17 PM

    Nita, he said they are unsafe.  That's about as good as any reason not to like a ladder.

    I had one for less than six months of regular (not cat) claims adjusting and several of the moving parts gummed up on me and prevented me from collapsing it.  The last time I used it, it decided to collapse one rung height.  That was all the warning I needed.

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    03/27/2007 1:27 AM

    I was curious, since I just invested in the ladder. Thanks

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    04/01/2007 4:05 PM

    Both my daughter and I use them and love them.  They have limitations, and must be used with caution.

    You must make sure that each rung locks in place, and be careful of pinched fingers when collapsing.

    I don't trust them on a loose gravel surface, and they are limited in height.

    But we've used them now for two years and never had either collapse or stick.  They are lightweight and easy to get in and out of a car.

    Also, even though they are rated for 250lbs, I wouldn't trust them much over 200, which keeps chubby roofers and PA'a at bay!

    My daughter swears they are a great distraction if you're in a scary neighborhood or one full of retirees who all want to talk to you.

    She says you just whip out the ladder - they are all so fascinated with it that they leave you alone to get on with your work!

     

    Best to all,

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    04/05/2007 10:46 AM
    Any ladder can be unsafe, inclusive of Little Giant, if not used properly. The more mechanics a ladder has in it, the more probability for an accident. Having seen a telesteps collapse with an adjuster on it gave me concern. Did he lock it properly, did the ladder fail, was the ladder maintained properly. The little giant has less mechanics than the telesteps, is wider at the top and base, and is easily maintained. The telesteps is more compact and lighter, but I prefer my ladder to be safer. I have a number of adjuster friends who bought them, then sold them soon after use, because of the possibility of collapse. Janice and I will stick with the tried and true, Little Giant.
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    04/05/2007 7:50 PM
    I have a Lil Giant and a JAWS, the Jaws is very heavy built and very heavy, however the cost is high , but so is the loss if I get hurt.  Its funny that when we are making a good income some try to save pennies buying cheapy ladder.  For some reason I want to climb down a ladder, not fall down a cheapo ladder.
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    04/07/2007 8:15 PM
    Yesterday, one of our staff adjusters was exiting a metal roof after his inspection and just as he stepped onto the TELESCOPIC ladder, he heard a "click" and the ladder collapsed.

    He has a broken left arm, a substantially damaged wrist which required immediate surgery to address some broken wrist bones and dislocated bones.

    He has returned to his home in Michigan from New Mexico where we are still working the hail in Roswell.

    This is not a rumor nor a scam.

    If you have a TELESCOPIC ladder, you should review your options as to the availability of alternate roof access equipment. And, I would suggest you do so today.

    Our company recommended that we buy this particular brand of TELESCOPIC ladder as it's easy to travel with. Our company also prefers that we fly to the storm site and rent a car as opposed to driving with all your equipment and supplies.

    Please refer to my other posting on "Stupid".

    In all seriousness, if you have a telescoping ladder, make sure you are substantially within it's weight rating and that all the latches latch and the releases release correctly.

    My co-worker will recover. He is incredibly lucky he doesn't have a broken back or neck. He is fortunate that he is covered by workers comp. He is fortunate that he has medical insurance through our employer. Even though he now has his left arm in a splint with wires sticking out of his wrist, he's a pretty lucky guy.
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    04/07/2007 9:36 PM

    Larry, thanks for the update and I will re-iterate my statment. The more mechanical features a ladder has, the more likely it can fail. I did not like the looks of the telesteps the first time I saw one. Too complicated and I felt it to be dangerous. After seeing a friend of mine fall from his collapsing, I was comfortable with my first impression of it. There have been too many collapses with this contraption. I would suggest that all users be very consceintious about using it and making sure it is secure prior to egress and digress. Your man was lucky he did not fall and break his back or neck. He was very lucky.

    Of courst you have to be careful with Little Giant also, making sure all latches latch properly, prior to use, this includes the Jaws ladder. Just be certain iyour ladders are safe prior to climbing.

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    04/08/2007 1:01 AM

    FYI, I was in Sam's Club or Costco (I can't remember which) and they had a 22' Little Giant for $300.

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    04/08/2007 2:09 PM

    hello-

    i'm the guy larry was referring to, hence the one hand typing w/ no caps. everything larry said is accurate. i was having problems getting the red latches to come completely out so i was very concientious about making sure that they were before climbing the ladder. once the ladder started collapsing there was no where to go but down. i got a temporary fix in nm and am now back in mi where i need to see a hand surgeon for extensive surgery to repair all my carpal bones that shattered. if not for my bud's and co-workers, larry and chuck i'd have been up s..t's creek. thanks guys.

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    04/08/2007 2:59 PM
    I'm just glad that Dan is not in the hospital here in Roswell mending for weeks or months before he could go home.

    Even though he has a broken arm and some wrist issues, I think he's lucky enough to buy my lottery tickets for me.
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    05/25/2007 8:12 PM

    I would be intererested to know if that incident was with a Telesteps or X-tend & climb. I understand that the Telesteps locks/unlocks all rungs @ once whereas the X-tend&climb you  lock/unlock each individually.

    I use the X-tend & climb &damaged it the other day.  I had taken it up on a roof & went back to the eave, held it by the top rung & let it rip.  Something gave and now there are two rungs that will not lock.  It had gotten me on 4-500 roofs.  I am still using it @ its reduced height but have now ordered the new 15.5'.

     

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    06/01/2007 11:00 AM

    Dan, we are all glad you were not hurt any worse than you were, however, wrist issues are not good. I would like to know which of the extend ladders you were using. I personally don't like any of them, as I feel they are dangerous due to so many locking and unlocking mechanisms.

    We all hope you get back up to speed ASAP and wish for an uneventful recovery. If any of us can help, as others have done for you, just let us know.

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    08/04/2007 4:03 PM
    Dan hasn't responded to which ladder he was on so ...................he had a Telesteps. Recommended by The Hartford Insurance Company as the ladder of choice.

    The plot thickens .......................

    I have an Extend & Climb and a 17ft Cosco (copy of a Little Giant). I have stated before and will state again, without reservation, that me and my Cosco are very comfortable together and I have no desire for anything that is "New", "Better", or "Improved". My Extend & Climb is still in the box.

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    08/04/2007 9:30 PM
    Update-
    I had my wrist splint removed on June 19th (10 weeks after the incident). My wrist and thumb were almost totally rigid. I began therapy on my wrist and thumb for range of motion. As of today I can move my wrist forward about 45 degrees as opposed to over 90 degrees on my right wrist and back about 30 degrees also opposed to 90 degrees on my right hand. I can touch the tip of my thumb to all except my little finger and cross my thumb across my palm to between my first and second finger as opposed to between my ring finger and little finger on my right hand and I can't rotate my hand face up so it is paralelll with the ceiling (it's turned in about 20 degrees) and I cant move my wrist back and forth hardly at all (like casting a fishing rod) It may sound like a small amount of difference but it hinders my guitar playing significantly, I won't be able to push myself up off the floor with my left hand and I wake up in the morning with my fingers aching and stiff. I'm starting strength therapy tomorrow and continuing with range of motion therapy.
    What is funny about all this is that I used to roof houses for a living, install windows, siding, trim, gutters all working off extension ladders carrying over a hundred pounds on my shoulder and tools for years and never fell once. Here I have a clipboard and have a 10 foot fall and do this.
    Thank you everyone for your concern. I've been on light duty work for a few weeks and hope to return to normal work duties by mid September. You can bet I will not be climbing any Telesteps ladders for the remainder of my career.
    I do thank God every day that it wasn't worse.
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    04/28/2009 9:34 AM
    I know we have a lot of adjusters out there working hail claims right now. We often get in a hurry and this can lead to injuries. Please take time to check your ladder and please be safe. My dad, a retired adjuster fell from a ladder yesterday and busted his head open. Six hours in ER, 2 CT Scans and 11 staples later we believe he is going to be OK. His fall happened when he was going up the ladder and the ladder was not locked in place and it came down.

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    04/28/2009 10:33 AM
    I was in a storm orientation last spring or summer and learned that either the vendor or the carrier (don't know which) had banned the Tele-Steps style ladder.  After they banned double pulls several years ago the Tele-Step became their number one cause of adjuster accidents.
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    04/29/2009 5:03 PM
    Anyone who handles hail claims and climbs on residential roofs would do well to find and read the OSHA regulations.

    Trusting your future to a complicated mechanical device when you are exhausted and under stress, just because your vehicle will not handle a proper ladder is tom foolery.

    Professionals use professional equipment.
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    04/30/2009 1:06 PM
    Roy, so glad your Dad is recovering. It is frightening to see anyone fall from a ladder and get injured. Your Dad was lucky. All ladders have a locking mechanism of sorts and any brand. One thing the adjuster or anyone else must do is check that locking mechanism prior to ascent. I would not have a telesteps if you gave it to me. Too many locking devices on the telesteps and too susceptible to failure. We will stick with our Little Giants and we do check the locking mechanisms every time.
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    04/30/2009 10:21 PM
    Thanks Tom, My Dad was not using a telesteps ladder it was an extension ladder and he went up it without making sure it was locked down. As you stated we need to always check and make the ladder is locked.

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    05/08/2009 8:06 AM
    Roy, I hope your Dad is much better now.

    Adjusters might want to review this discussion on OSHA fall protection rules:

    http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owa...p_id=13403

    OSHA exempts workers who will be inspecting for a short period of time from fall protection requirements on the theory that rigging up would expose them to more danger than a quick inspection.

    OSHA is not going to protect us. We have to look out for ourselves.



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    05/08/2009 1:29 PM
    Use some common logic. Walk around the house and see if anything has hail hits or splatter marks. If you see damage on the ground it MUST be on the roof and vise versa. The young salesman will tell you all the damage is at the ridge and if you do not climb the roof, you have not competant. I have never climbed a steep roof in my life and I never will. I have settled thousands of roof claims.... by getting as "close to them as I could". Never had a kick back. Left a storm one time when the big man said we had to take a photo from the ridge with our car in the background to get paid. This is why the satellite is good  tool. Steep roofs are for trained steep teams, not folding ladder adjusters.
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    05/08/2009 9:58 PM
    Some time back, and it's discussed in this thread, I had a choice of which "extendable" ladder to use. I already had a Telesteps and was becoming uncomfortable with it. Then, a co-worker was injured using his.

    Long story short, I obtained an Xtend and Climb. I looked at one and actually used it and really checked it out. The latches are pretty much idiot proof (which means I can probably use it) and the construction is all welded or riveted with BIG rivets. It hasn't seen much use since I bought it but I thought I would pass this along.

    By the way,..................it's rated at 300lb so this ol' fat boy can get on it without worrying about it's load rating.
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    05/08/2009 11:07 PM
    Where can I look at one those, Larry?  Tried a google & didn't locate.  I'm only about a buck80, so the load isn't a factor (except for the way it's distributed) ...but I'm curious about the design/portability of the ladder.  Is it similar to a Little Giant?
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    05/09/2009 10:07 AM
    http://www.xtendandclimb.com/  It's still a telescoping ladder, so i think many of the dangers of one are still present. I used one for a decent amount of scopes in OH and it was not bad. It is very light and felt study, i did not have any problems with it when i used it. I still prefer something with less points to fail, even if it is more heavy.
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    05/14/2009 11:06 PM
    I found my Xtend & Climb at Home Depot. I've seen them in various stores throughout the US of A.

    Another really good ladder for the money is the Costco which is available at Sams.
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    05/15/2009 11:01 PM

    Thanks, Amart & Larry...had found it on the web in the meantime.  Looks like it's easy on the back & pretty handy to fit into a trunk if you aren't a truck'n type, and have a boatload of ranch homes to inspect that don't require a taller ladder.  Also good for those interior attic inspects for the winter ice dams and roof leaks.  You can also use it to sneak back in late at night through the basement window after you told the wife you were working late...just have to dig a small hole to stand it up in. 

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    08/12/2009 12:34 AM

    I have seen those before they are retired ladders from deer stands in Georgia. LOL

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    08/13/2009 10:58 PM
    I recently heard from a fellow former Hartford employee that several of their staffy cat adjusters had fallen using the" recommended" collapsible ladder, Telesteps. Now, I don't have personal knowledge of this but it came from a pretty darn good source.

    I try to not be negative about anything or anyone in my postings, but...............

    I have had a Telesteps collapse on me and I DO have personal knowledge of a Hartford adjuster that fell using a Telesteps as we were both deployed in the same town and I met him at the hospital. Broken arm and several scuffs. I think Hartford is still "recommending" the Telesteps to their adjusters.
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    I know for fact that several telesteps have collapsed with adjusters ascending with them. I don't care for their latching mechanism and consider them questionable for safety. I know little giant is a little heavy and requires more storage room than telesteps, but they are certainly more safe. There again, you need to check the latch points for proper latching even with the little giant. I think we need to create check lists in our minds when working on roofs. We need to make sure our ladders are in a safe position on the roof, properly locked and tied off if necessary. I know, as a long time pilot, that check lists are vital to safety.

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    08/15/2009 4:14 PM
    FYI, about a week or two ago, Costco had a 17 foot Little Giant (MegaLite) for $170. We go a couple for our office and threw away the telesteps.
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    08/17/2009 10:55 AM
    Just my opinion, but it looks to me like anybody who uses a fold up or telescoping ladder is going to get hurt eventually. For day in and day out, 7 day a week professional use get a solid ladder.
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    10/12/2009 6:01 PM
    Check out this ladder rack. It locks your ladder in place, upright, behind your vehicle. It's called the Ladder CATy and is available on www.claimsadjusters411store.com.
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    11/26/2009 2:47 PM

    The proper way to hang Xmas Lights.

    1) Tie 2 ladders together

    2) Put it up to the house backwards

    3) Have Carlos your lawn maintenance guy climb the ladder with a sting of lights and a stapler

    4) Have Carlos drop the stapler on your awning freaking you out and calling the whole thing off.

    Mind you - this was after the first attempt to tie the ladders together resulted in a boomerang shaped ladder when they tried to raise it.  I knew I would find something entertaining to do this afternoon.

    Happy Thanksgiving! 

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    11/27/2009 1:47 PM

    Now there is an excellent way to see if your hospitalization policy is a good one, or your burial policy. I would never recommend anyone to try that stunt.

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    11/27/2009 2:49 PM
    At least you would have two ladder manufacturers to sue. I bet neither lader has a warning specific to this event.
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    11/22/2011 5:34 PM
    I read this entire thread and apparantly no one has ever heard of a Stapleton folding wood ladder. I have worn out 3 and am on my 4th. They are heavy, but that is a plus. Plus, electricity does not travel down wood.
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    12/01/2011 9:17 AM
    Does anyone know where to find a 13 ft. Stapleton with the extension?  Mine is on its last leg and evidently they are no longer made. I've called around and searched the normal sites but can't find one.
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    12/15/2011 3:30 PM
    I allowed myself to get distracted not once, but several times by the Insured and did not secure my 24' ladder on the top of my van. Fortunately, I was able to catch it each time, but not before driving down the road for some distance
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    12/20/2011 10:56 AM
    I figured I could find a Stapleton on the internet in a couple of minutes.

    After over 20 minutes of searching,.............no luck.
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    12/20/2011 6:23 PM
    @Armorbear, one year that problem caused me so much trouble that I designed and build a metal ladder rack that captures the ladder as the ladder is laid on the rack. Saved me sooooo much trouble.
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    12/21/2011 1:03 AM
    Posted By dholman on 01 Dec 2011 09:17 AM
    Does anyone know where to find a 13 ft. Stapleton with the extension?  Mine is on its last leg and evidently they are no longer made. I've called around and searched the normal sites but can't find one.

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    D Holman

    I am all about nostalgia however the reason this Stapleton is no longer made tells me that it may be antiquated ladder tech (is a Stapleton wood or aluminum?)( I understand ladder tech is NOT rocket science) however coming from someone who has laid at the bottom of a 24 footer with broken legs pelvis,ribs jaw and fractured skull, please for your own safety ,consider something new. Granted I feel from a "new ladder" but you get the idea friend. Don't climb on a ladder that from your own admission is on it's last leg, we don't wanna bury another fellow adjuster or take up a donation for a wheelchair(make no mistake we would do so, but ,well you get the idea!)

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    Posted By armorbear on 15 Dec 2011 03:30 PM
    I allowed myself to get distracted not once, but several times by the Insured and did not secure my 24' ladder on the top of my van. Fortunately, I was able to catch it each time, but not before driving down the road for some distance

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    Armorbear, please do NOT take offense my friend but professionals do NOT drive off without securing ladders!

    I say with so much passion because a 24 ft projectile can, has and will no doubt in the future KILL innocent people should you get in an accident with your ladder unsecured. It could kill you as well. It is also an easy way to catch a negligent homicide charge I cannot imagine the guilt that one would feel to know their mistake caused another to lose their life. Ladders on the roadway is a killer, just google said phrase

    Also ladders are criminal magnets and an unsecured ladder is a stolen ladder. It is also a HUGE fine to get a citation for driving with an unsafe unsecured ladder from the police.

    We are all human and as such we are prone to making mistakes, we have all made mistakes and I personally have made a few boneheaded mistakes much worse than the above discussion material, fortunately god protects fools(IE...ME) as well and things ended up OK

     

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    12/22/2011 7:57 PM
    Last known info on REL/Stapleton (if this info is not any good I guess they are done)

    Address:
    1800 Carol Sue Ave.
    Suite 1A Gretna, LA 70037
    Phone: 877-694.8375
    Fax: 877-626-5328
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    12/22/2011 8:04 PM
    If our departed friend Mr Hall was still with us, he likely had a well-kept one in his garage...or knew someone who does.
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