Joe Woolhouse its not a PowerClaim problem. Power Claim can do the same thing as xmate. Why dont you sent  me all the scopes and measurements and I will print out the loss on Power Claim for the adjusting community to see that this is a malicious lie, probably by a mold contractor. NO software makes the author competant. If you are not a liar I will tell  all readers of CADO

There can be many reasons.
1) What data base is used for each system, one could be texas and one alaska, compare apples tp apples.
2) Anyone can make a mistake, contractor, adjuster, whomever.
3) Level of experience of the adjuster and contractor.

As Ray stated, send him the pix, masurements and ibfo and you will get a CORRECT answer.

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some one is off about 30 squares and thats about on small-med house. I would like for some of you folks sitting home watching the weather channel to join me in this skirmish and lets get one of each program, xware, powerclaim, simsol, IC and the new Canada program and really see any bottom line change on the TOTAL SQUARES was the complaint.

NO O&P, Use the roofers scope and line items, use the Powerclaim scope and line items. Now if a line item is on one and not another the diagram and photos will be the tie breaker. OK Mr. Woolhouse please put up , OR write a public notice to members of the professional roofers of America, who you insulted with your slander statement.

Just sell  your case right here. We need the zip code and a few photos to describe the roof and the diagram.

No one else here has your diagram/scope to give an opionion.  Ray says there is a scope discepancy, but how are we to know?  On your original post it was a $600 difference, and now it's much higher.  But initially it was just dormers & flashings, now it's a different story.   Can we get the straight skinny, and then maybe be able to give you a more educated opinion?  I haven't used Power Claim before, so there could be a big difference in what is considered "included operations/materials" from one estimating program to another.    Afterall, depending on the degree of damage, chimney flashings are rarely replaced on hail losses and the drip edges/valleys are hit & miss too when it comes to actual replacement.   That is...if there is actually valley metal.  I've seen estimates that included R&R valley metal when the existing roof had a California weave instead of metal valleys.  

Joe I know all the people who answered your question. give the zip code, show a roof sketch with measurements and a front photo.  I thought I read a differance of $6,000  or I would not have responded. A $600. differance between adjuster and roofer should never get this far up the road. You two get your heads into this and get it settled. I was just defending Power Claim and that was my intent. I do not show up anyone.

Joe I know all the people who answered your question. give the zip code, show a roof sketch with measurements and a front photo.  I thought I read a differance of $6,000  or I would not have responded. A $600. differance between adjuster and roofer should never get this far up the road. You two get your heads into this and get it settled. I was just defending Power Claim and that was my intent. I do not show up anyone.

Lesson to Joe Woolhouse. Always show the adjuster the roof diagram with measurements. Now a new topic many insurance campanys will except a complete roof job on a composition shingle as. R & R all shingles with LKQ. Many want a lower number on TO. The only add ons are roof turbines, power vent covers, BROKEN skylights, vent caps. NO PLUMBING JACKS OR CHIMNEY FLASHING. no new felt(unless), ridge vent(unless) metal edge its all in the replace rate.

Public adjusters and roofers like your bunch statred all this add on crap, and xmate bought the whole package and some insurance companys want to pay as much as they can as well as the working adjusters on commission. But the largrest storm chaser roofers in the world will take an exactimate estimate with the diagram on the sheet without any O & P all day long. For that matter any estimate

You do not want to hear the next paragraph and I will not print it.

Joe, if you took my words as unkind I apologize.  Anyone that knows me, or has read my posts on this site knows otherwise....although I can lean toward the warped side from time to time just for the sake of keeping a topic alive.  If I misread your initial post, OK.  But I'm not so sure, as pointed out by another poster.  My old eyes may play tricks on me, but not my memory to the best I can recall.   

Let's look at what he really said - because you are twisting it into something more sinister.

I doubt that Troy is pulling a price out of thin air. At a casual glance, not being focused on the zip code he is working - the price doesn't sound terribly low. And he is aware of what is or isn't included, and when to add for high, or steep.

Let's not throw him under the bus. Some adjusters (and roofers) should be thrown under, but it is a small %. Most of us are trying to do the right thing.

Gotcha. If a price isn't right, just ask the adjuster to print out exactly what is included in the repair item. With Xactimate, they just F8 the repair step (or click on the picture to the right of the repair description, to get "more info").

Like we were touching on earlier, people don't always REALLY understand what is or isn't included in a repair step. I think the most common error I see in newer adjusters is what ISN'T THERE. They haven't stayed in one place long enough to LIVE through the supplements - or calls from homeowner when they cannot seem to find a contractor to do the work for the price allowed. Then you find they didn't know if the database price included dumpster or not, they didn't check for multiple layers to remove, and on and on.

The devil is in the details, and if the scope of repair is described right, and the tools of the software are understood (including what is included for that repair item) then the task of estimate reconciliation gets a lot easier.

And I agree that the lowest bid is not always the right one. I was managing property 20 years ago when a roofer took off the roof of an apartment building just before it poured rain, we discovered the liability and bond insurance were fiction, and the guy had so many jobs open when the rain came that he basically folded (changed names...)

Ray, I have used Xactimate for years and presently use Sketch, which I find is the best one of the bunch.  I have not heard anyone say that the tear off is the actual roof area in Squares and that the install has waste added.  The rule of thumb has always been 10% waste for a gable and 15% for a hip.  Some roofs that are extremely cut up should have more waste added.  Also, additional charges for steep and 2 story are to be added, if needed.  When accessing the Estimate lines in Xactimate, on the right there is a picture of the material and a description of what the price includes.  Xactimate gives a figure including felt and one that does not.  I always included felt when the roof is torn off to the deck because the felt is destroyed in the process.  This is usually 15# felt and some of the roofers want 30# for 30 year or better roofs.  I go by the specs put out by the roofing material manufacturers, which is nearly always 15# felt. 

The guy who started this added P&O which shows he knew nothing about the roofing business.  He never mentioned waste, nor did anyone else, which kind of surprised me.  The biggest problem with Xactimate, or any other estimating product, is their price database is NEVER right on roofing.  I always get a price list going into a storm and correct my prices accordingly.

Tim, I know you uave seen this many times on a smoke claim. The remediation contractor runs the xmate estimate up the flag pole. The insured see's the bottom line and agrees to settle with the adjuster for 1/3 of the xmate bottom line. He hires his own maid services and takes SOME clothes to a cleaner and you and the insured settle the trash can clothes. You are the hero for saving the carrier 40-50%, the insured and agent are very happy. Now thats rolling the clock back two decades but I call it indemnification.