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KileAnderson
USA
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 Posted - 12/07/2002 : 10:01:57
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| Explain to me how that is a stereotype. Those are the people who are milking the system and they are the problem. They are exactly the people that I'm talking about. If they had skills, and I consider a work ethic to be part of those skills, they would be working, but they don't. They have fallen into the cycle of government dependence. I'm talking about the families who have been living off of government assistance for generations. These are the people that are the problem. They are using the safety net as a hammock. Since I described the characteristics of the people to whom I am refering it is not a stereotype. Had I said something like "All French people are rude" or for Clayton, "All Newfies are dumb and use the F word as punctuation", that would be a stereotype. I didn't do that I gave a set of paramaters and all people who fit those paramaters are the ones to which I am refering. I am fitting a description to a person, not trying to lock a person to a description. |
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2002 : 11:37:10
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I heard my name , eh?
I had to go to that dictionary again to make sure I had a bilateral understanding of the 'alert'.
"A standardized character, a fixed idea .... eg .... the streotype of a 'hero' is one who is tall, strong, brave, and good looking ....".
Quite an example for a dictionary, but hey, I'm sure that is how my dear mother viewed me on good days when I wasn't causing too much havoc as an adolescent; and likely the sweety that sat beside me in grade 9 science.
"All french people are rude", well 30 years ago when our local adjusters association in Ottawa used to take regular bus trips to the famed Montreal Forum, for both a beverage binge and to watch the great Canadiens on ice; les francais were nothing but cordial and fun to be around. Today and for the past 10 or more years, all that I have encountered in la belle provence, are of the standardized character as quoted.
Now easy with the Newf's eh. They cann't help it. "Dumb" is a 'relative' term, spanning both family lines and their comparative functionality to other societies. A big day on the rock is Father's Day, when most adults are glued to their kitchen windows to see what homes the children gravitate to.
But, from a defined prespective on the word, there is no doubt "dumb" applies - "without the ability to speak .... silent". I defy anyone not native to the rock, to understand or carry a conversation with a Newf. One exception would be John Crosbie an infamous Newf, a retired former Minister of many things in the Federal Cabinet years ago. But he worked hard at it, he was quoted once concerning his refusal to learn our second "offical" language as saying; " .... I've already learned a second language - english ....".
Again, it's not the Newf's fault regarding their propensity for the "F" word. Their life is full of the "F" - fun, fish, food, frolic, faeces, fog, foolish, federal funds, festive, few fish, fiddle, fornicate, flipper, flounder, flout, fermentation, federal financing, ......
They did start with "S" years ago, but after they named their beloved grog as Screech, they thought that was all that letter was worthy of. |
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olderthendirt
USA
370 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2002 : 12:27:42
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| Clayton, if you can bring some real SCREECH (I understand it was named that because that's what you did after your first drink) I will be at the convention to sample it. I have seen a water down version in the stores, but the real thing remains a legend. |
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fivedaily
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2002 : 12:33:24
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." ~ Alexander Tyle
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TomToll
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2002 : 14:02:04
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I agree with Jennifer & Alexander Tyle. I feel the last good President we had was Harry Truman. At least he did not throw spitballs at everyone who disagreed with him and he knew how to make decisions, good or bad. If they were bad, he had the courage to say I made a mistake. We continually put people into the whitehouse and congress that have only themselves in mind, not that of the general public. As far as economic recovery, how can that occur when the government is allowing large corporations to move to foreign countries so they have to pay less labor than that of U.S. employees.
Whether all of you realize it, we have adjusters in the field that are like our government officials, thinking only of themselves, not that of insured's or vendors, or companies. The professionalism and attitude in this profession sucks. Janice and I have stayed busy this year and last year because we are proud of what we do and try to do it in an ethical and professional manner. I have seen some things here in Lafayette that boggles the mind. But it is not only Lafayette, it is everywhere. Adjusters bitching because they can't make $1,000 a day. Adjusters who don't get on roofs and tell the insureds they have no damage. Adjusters who wil not talk nor listen to the insureds The whold damn nation is going to hell if we don't change the way we look at life and each other. We were all put here with a purpose and I believe all of you know that. Politician are nothing but glorified lawyers, out to get what ever they can and at what ever cost. Change out the whitehouse and put good business people at the helm and the change will be very sudden and positive. Problem is, you can't take out just one quart, you gotta empty the pan before refilling it.
The only reason I took time out to make this comment is, I am growing weary of the arrogance I see on this particular topic. Counter and counter counter. I ain't no politician, even though I was asked to be one years ago. I was an aid to Governor Rockefeller when he ran for Arkansas Governor and won. I was also his speech coach. Now there was a good politician. He was worth millions and used a lot of his personal money on state parks and many other needed services. He would not accept his paycheck because he had sufficient funds to live on, nor would he accept his retirement checks. Too bad some of the rich politicians do not have the same philosophy. I was a Republican at that time, but as I matured, I became one who votes for the person I feel will do the job right. Its been a tough choice the last 20 years. If you think all of this rhetoric is going to solve our economic and domestic problems, you are incorrect. Change out the whitehouse with your votes. |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2002 : 14:56:21
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| Tom, the government can't stop companies from moving overseas. This is a free country after all. Companies aren't only moving overseas just for cheap labor although that is part of it. Companies also move over seas because of the tax situation. As long as corporate earnings are double taxed, once for the company and again for the owners of the company, this will be a problem. We either have to fix our tax code or fix our import laws. It would also help if unions would be reasonable with their salary and benefit demands. Just as an example, look at what the mechanics union did to UAL. All the other unions decided to take one for the team, but the mechanics said no. Now UAL heads to bankruptcy court. I guess it is better to have a job with a company that no longer exists than it is to take a pay cut. Personally I'd rather work for a little less than have no job at all. It wasn't a very nice thing to do to the flight attendants and the pilots either. |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2002 : 14:58:52
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I don't mind stereotyping, I think it is the third generation of deadbeats, having four to six kids with different daddys and I have a problem with that. Those four to six kids will be more of the same, theres no end in sight.
Handicapped is one thing a dead beat is another. Its time for some of that tough love and end the welfare abuses going on at our expense. The really poor familys that I have come accross are those people who have to pay taxes out of a meager income, then pay medical expenses. They end up with a lot less than the government dependant. Most of these working people are in debt up to their eyeballs.
In short, its all about getting votes using our money. The political symbols should be the Zebra for both. One is black with white stripes the other is white with black stripes. We don't know the difference, so we defend our partys short commings and it becomes an issue which divides us.
One says hee the other says haw and when they get in office they listen to those lobby cats that bought their election, not the people they work for.
The world trade center was the accelerator, just as was Enron and World Comm. The market was already inflated and on the down turn, so neither party can take the credit or blame.
When Clinton took office the market was already on the upswing, I don,t give him the credit, becaue the market stands on its own. A president is a figure head and leader, he is supposed to cheer us on to greater things and unite us. What we have is two benches of hecklers in the crowd, and that promotes chaos and lack of trust in the market.
If we stopped the handouts to deadbeats, the unemployment rate would jump up and the politicians would take that as a sign that people need to be taken care of by the government and it starts all over. Don't mistake my deadbeat for the handicapped. I am only referring to those people who chose not to work and pay taxes because they have ways of getting more money from our tax dollars
given to them by politicians. This is nothing more than a bribe for more votes and if you don't see that then your're not looking.
We now come to the case of the so called activists, the non productive people who for the sake of their own agenda will black mail our industry leaders into giving to their coffers. This is money that could be spent on salries and expansion and releiving some of the poverty of those with the disire to work. The threat of boycotts and civil action if they don't give is blackmail anyway you look at it. The Seirra Club even sues us, the Government, and wins large amounts of money and land for which they have a developement company that developes not only shopping malls but other eye sores.
Their words not mine. The Rev Jesty is another blackmailer. Owl Gore is a cheer leader and has been sold on their extreme ideas with some of his own.
I have lots of things that peave me, for instance the agri-business the number of which is exceeded by the government support employees. The hand outs to this sector is downright unconstitional. People in the oilfield don't get help if their well dries up. If your business goes bust, you may be investigated. How about the property taxes, almost like back in the early 1700's when England or their Lackeys, taxed the settlers after they had cleared the land and had to fight and die to keep it. The same situation exists today. You buy property and through your own hard work you get it developed for what ever reason, and there is the politicians looking at it as a source of revenue for their use and they tax the hell out of your hard work. I understand that some sort of money is needed for roads, security and fire protection. It sort of discourages people from building better homes. That is not correct, because most people don't pay attention to their taxes unti they get the bill and it comes out to around two hundred dollars a month, more or less. We tend to forget who feeds the worker and blame the feeders for their massing of fortunes, and want not only their profit but their shoes. Making corperate America the villan is what will continue our downward spiral toward socialism. There are some abusers in all walks of life, we deal with it, take away freedom and you have no options. The dark side takes your options. I don't want big brother making my decisions about every day life.
To give you a warped sense of values, we have seat belt laws to protect us from our selves, none for sky diving, bungee jumping or mountain climbing. Have you ever thought of seat belts in boats or on motorcycles. Bet Chris. Reeves wished he had a seat belt on that horse. Stuff happens, make laws a stuff will still happen.
IF AM ALRIGHT AND YOU ARE ALL RIGHT, ITS NOT MY PLACE TO TELL YOU DIFFERENT AND I WOULD RESENT any intrusion into my life, thats your nature and mine.
Laws should be made to protect our rights and from abuse by others, not from ourselves. If someone wants to jump off a high building with a parachute, thats ok as long as he is in no danger of hurting someone else. If his chute don't open we might miss him, go through his pockets and put him in a hole, that was his choice and we should respect that. You have to accept the fact that people will destroy their lives every day and damn the laws, thats a choice that we should not be held accountable for, nor should we have to pay for. This is individual accountability, you dance, you pay the fiddler. My scrambled thoughts are from a warped mind according to most people and if I can find humor in anything, I will, even if no one understands.
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Don't forget, tomorrow Sunday Dec 8 , The Chat, here on CADO
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2002 : 18:25:58
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| This is Pearl Harbor day, I think they want us to forget, the news never mentioned it today, thats the first time I remember that happening. The media is trying to portray us as the bad guys. |
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TomToll
USA
87 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2002 : 08:58:22
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Kyle, you say the government cannot and should not control companies moving to other countries, but yet you say it is because of taxing methodology that causes them to leave. I believe the last tax contrubution we made was to the federal internal revenue service. Last I heard it was a branch of the federal government
The good old boys in Washington allow these moves and it is ruining our economy and putting people out of work. I have lost faith in the Democrats and Republicans. They have lost sight of what is really going on in this United States. They are very good at boosting their retirement and income, but do not seem to understand the class that really pays the bulk of taxes, you and me. I know several very wealthy people that have a thousand times the income you and I have and pay less taxes. Loopholes, loopholes, and the last I heard, the U.S. government controls that.
You can make a good living in the adjusting industry, putting in 16 to 18 hours per day, 7 days a week and you must work at least 9 months of a year to realize that income. Supporting two households, fuel & maintenance expense and all the other expenses involved put a big crimp in our income. Point being, the government does have control over business's going out of the country and they do have control over yours and mine income. |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2002 : 15:34:36
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Since the topic of United Airlines has been introduced into this thread, it is timely that the conservative columnist George F.Will has written an excellent editorial entitled 'Creative Destruction' and United Airlines which appears in today's national newspapers, which I commend to interested readers.
This is one time and one topic on which George and I seem to share consensus agreement. I find that in the many instance where I do disagree with George, he presents empirical evidence in support of his argument (but sometimes ignoring evidence to the contrary) and always presenting cooly logical and well reasoned arguments in support of his positiion.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21195-2002Dec6.html |
Edited by - JimF on 12/08/2002 15:58:38 |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2002 : 19:48:34
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Jim, I too enjoy Geore Will, for his opinions and for his ability to use the English language. I bet you probably agree with him on baseball too. I'm settled in here in NC. But they called me on the way and redirected me to Winston-Salem.
Great post Newt. I bet that one has been building up for a while. :)
Tom, I said the government can't stop companies from moving, what they can do is make the economic environment more attractive for them to stay, and the way they do that is to change the tax structure or to make it so expensive to import their products that it doesn't make sense to move, but the government can't say "no, you can't go overseas".
Oh, I was able to find something good to say about Bill Clinton. It was probably his tax increase that kept the economy from overheating and prolonged the boom of the mid to late 90's. So maybe he did do something good after all. |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2002 : 22:15:06
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Saw this little ditty in today's Editorial Page of The Washington Post newspaper about politicians (in this case, President Bush) talking out of both sides of their mouth (or saying one thing while doing another). It's called Reform Saboteurs and deals with campaign finance reform a la McCain-Feingold.
Thought my conservative friends here under this thread might enjoy reading it.
Perhaps 'liberals' aren't the only ones who have a problem with telling the truth to the American people! :>)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21216-2002Dec6.html |
Edited by - JimF on 12/08/2002 22:27:30 |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2002 : 08:32:31
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An observation, Barbara Walters has the ability to talk without moving her lips.
Don't you believe she would make a good politician?
It would be hard to tell when she was lieing.
Has any one noticed Ralph Nader is missing, does anyone care?
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olderthendirt
USA
370 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2002 : 10:21:29
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| Kile don't forget removing the minimum wages laws and the child labour laws. Big companies do not need moral values as long as they turn a profit (on paper at least). Were Enron and World Com a creation of liberal or conservative politics? |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2002 : 12:46:55
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They didn't get nailed by liberals or conservatives. Whistle blowers got them. You can bet neither would have done anything had not someone pointed it out. There are many controls on cooperations, and someone had to know for a long time befors the ax fell. We can assume both sides knew before.
If you think its a liberal or conservative problem, think about this, "a beltway Washington problem, those inside the loop". We have been paying thru the nose with tax dollars for the watch dogs, and they aint hunting, so its time they were fired. These fed employees inside the loop are the biggest lobby there, every party in office listens to them, they are the real spin doctors.
They are also good escape artists, and they have ways of passing the buck to someone elected. I don't lay it all at their door but you can sure tell some of them dogs don't have a nose. |
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