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aquajoc
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 Posted - 04/20/2003 : 13:23:24
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| Here in Houston we have seen alot of claims arise from the "ensuing" release of asbestos from drywall texture. The release has either been from the original loss where a burst water piper, overflowed toilet, etc collapses a popcorn texture ceiling (notorious for high asbestos content) or when we go out and pay to scrape one of these ceilings and dont mention to the insured the possibility of it containing asbestos. They then scrape the ceiling, maybe figure out afterwards it was asbestos containing and then call us back out to test. Resultingly thge whole house then needs to be "abated" (wiped down and HEPA vacuumed" and as per the EPA studies after 911 they state that fabric surfaces can not be cleaned of asbestos so tall the porous items (mattresses, couches, etc) get thrown away. Most of the carriers i here are saying it will be the next mold. |
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JimF
USA
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Posted - 04/20/2003 : 15:14:31
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As you may know, asbestos was banned by the federal government for use in building products in 1978, such that popcorn ceiling textures past the early 1980's are asbestos free. Additionally, most of the East Coast and Midwest applications of ceiling texture prior to 1978 were in an asbestos free form, with the greater concentrations of asbestos ceiling texture product being used in California and western and southwestern states.
Damages to properties (whether such damage is insured or not) built since the early 1980's should be free of and not contaminated by the presence of asbestos in any of the underlying building products. |
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Slew
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Posted - 04/20/2003 : 16:58:37
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| Running out of Asbestos to remove is part of the reason mold came around. Half the mold remediators I met used to remove asbestos. The rest were restoration contractors, weekend handymen, used car salesmen, whatever... |
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aquajoc
USA
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Posted - 04/21/2003 : 08:10:48
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Sorry, i reposted the above message was reposted by accident......
i realize that most homes built after 1980 are asbestos free, however, that still leaves probably two million homes in Texas that are "hot" with asbestos and a huge clean-uip bill for ensued contamination.
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2003 : 08:12:39
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Ghostbuster
476 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2003 : 09:05:15
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Jim, not to be a fuss-budget, perhaps another analogy might well be , 'Making a California out of the real world'.
During the '94 L.A. earthquake, the California asbestos standard was something like .001, while the Federal standard was .01. I still believe that the .001 Cal. standard was a typo wherein the typist mistakenly added an extra 0.
In any event, this caused a panic amongst the genteel Chicken Little's of L.A. and gleeful unwarranted wealth for the contractors. |
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aquajoc
USA
5 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2003 : 21:09:16
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im not trying to make a mountain out of anything, im telling you whats coming down the pipe here in houston........some of the higher ups are saying it will be bigger than mold ever was.........ive seen 3 claims in small homes that have gone over 100,000 each. Basically there saying if there is ANY drywall to come out in a room that it must be removed to a door jamb. If the drywall raps around the header (like from kitchen to dining rooms) then because of the tape joints the drywall continues to come out into the next room. This includes removal of cabinets if they are in the room where the drywall is to be removed. Because there are standards to this type of work, i believe it will be easier to handle than the mold crisis was.........check out this court case from a popcorn texture ceiling...
www.sjblaw.com/highlights/asbestos.html |
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Ghostbuster
476 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2003 : 21:30:04
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| Awww, go ahead and make our day. Let's see...we had Mold is Gold...what rhymes with asbestos? We need a catchy catch-phrase for this new party event. |
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fivedaily
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2003 : 21:59:19
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Asbestos is best-os???
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Davey
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2003 : 07:31:00
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| I have a hard time believing the cost of remediation is that high. In the San Fernando Valley the Northridge EQ did a bunch of damage. In many cases the end result was to demo the house and start over. Before the actual demolition, All the acoustic ceilings had to be scraped, all the drywall joints removed, transite pipes out, VA tile floors removed, etc. The average cost of this, including removal of debris out of state, rarely exceeded $20,000. Perhaps all the California remediation contractors should head to Houston and make their second fortune. |
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JimF
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2003 : 07:53:01
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Davey, in the past couple of years I have seen a couple of 2,000 +/- square feet homes on the East Coast where the drywall W&C was removed and the cost was less than $10,000 and actually closer to $5,000. The work was done by certified asbestos firms too.
Sounds to me like some of the Houston boys are just trying to gouge the insurance companies and get rich in the process!
I'll pass along the opportunities down there that AJ mentions to some of the East Coast asbestos boys so they can take a look and get in on all the action. |
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2003 : 17:08:23
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Hey 'Buster, in keeping with the recent theme of "Mansion on the Hill", I'll offer a preliminary suggestion in keeping with the mold thread - "Assets from Asbestos"
Time to run and grub up, and then Leafs & Flyers, game #7; hopefully won't go to double overtime again. |
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fivedaily
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2003 : 20:23:52
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I goes with the asbestos. ???
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2003 : 20:59:23
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Wow, a tough crowd!
Are you not going to give and acknowledge it's better than "best-os"? That sounds like a Betty Crocker recipe.
Hum it a bit, "assets from asbestos"
I don't give up easy, try; "flying with fiber"?
Oh, a better one yet, Hurricane you have to like this one; "diamonds from dust"? |
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fivedaily
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2003 : 22:00:47
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I like Betty Crocker, thank you very much.
Your offering seems to be lacking in the sing-songy category. See Mold is Gold was catchy, and my best-os was more catchy than your assests.
I like the diamonds from dust one but it doesn't grab me the way mold is gold does... I'll keep thinking about it. After a search of an online rhymer (http://www.rhymezone.com) I could find only 1 real word and that is "festus." Why don't ya'll work on that one for a bit?
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2003 : 22:25:59
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Didn't "Festus" carry a gun or have a gimp leg, in some old duster I watched as a kid?
I'm not a 'sing - songy' kind of guy, but humming does have its benefits; reminds me of Deloris.
So, if "mold is gold", then, "asbestos is best"; leave the recipe part out.
Gotta figure something for the ".. tos", bring in cellulose and make is toxic.
"Asbestos" is from the Greek word "unquenchable", i.e. unable to extinguish, stifle or suppress; geez that's Deloris again.
"The unquenchable claim", sounds like a Tony Bennett tune.
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