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No more "Super Members" - 1/13/2006 1:13:09 PM
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khromas
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Perhaps others have noticed that the member designations have changed to reflect only 2 differing types -- GOLD Member (to reflect paying members - a little subtle hint, Roy?) and everyone else as "Forum Member".
In discussions with others about that issue, it was apparent that a 'status' could be obtained simply by the posting of a certain number of posts. The problem with that was the lack of substance required in the postings, all you had to do was say "Yeah ... I agree" or "Good article" enough times and you became a "Super Member". That created possible confusion with visitors to the site that sought credible information and had little to go on with the background of the poster.
I would hope that Roy would consider a process for categorizing membership that would reflect the expertise of the member in such a way so as to offer a little credibility based on that designation. Possible??? Maybe a committee of adjusters with X number of years of experience that would get together to formulate a plan?
Just a suggestion.
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/13/2006 2:48:15 PM
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newtonclaimstim
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a very short post, It sounds like a GOD complex maybe
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/13/2006 6:26:45 PM
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Clayton Carr
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Hmm, first, if Roy has done as suggested in the opening post, I commend him and agree fully.
To add to Kevin's list of things / post types that created one's "title" based only on the volume of posts, is of course the humor forum, and others of that ilk; that have litle if any substantive value to the perceived, or wanted, or planned professionalism of the website content or style.
Personally, last year before my chosen hiatus from CADO, I watched with guarded interest, what the magic number of posts was to get to the "Super Member" designation; I would not have allowed myself to post sufficiently to acquire that 'handle'.. I don't believe in such a designation based solely on one's propensity to post, regardless of the thread or comment made in a post. It is clear that the website forum style / mechanics was such that at certain plateaus of posting volume, one got another designation from a preselected group of designation names.
Why have 'titles' at all? What purpose to they serve if anyone - regardless of their attachment to the claims industry - can post after a simple website registration?
Seems to me, looking at that last sentence, that that notion of anyone from any walk of life, under any 'pen nane', being able to post; has been discussed and bantered a few times before.
If this website is to ever meet the goal as is stated on the home page, it has to become more restricted in who can be a member, and who can post in specific forums.
Until that time, regardless of whether or not there are titles for the volumes of posts; this site will remain as a chat room type environment, or an unreliable type blog; but certainly will not be a "go to" site for reliable and professional insight into the many facets of the claims industry.
I have to add by edit, after a review of the home page, that the long standing professed purpose / mission statement, is no longer on the home page.
Geez, I have to add by edit again while supper cooks, what are the "stars" under each user name meant to represent? Seems like just a continuing way to indicate volume of posting, or also can be interpreted otherwise. Just look at the array of "star" combinations in this thread. One familiar with CADO will know that it is still a way to reflect volume of posts, but new people to CADO could be left with some other impressions.
< Message edited by Clayton Carr -- 1/13/2006 7:26:48 PM >
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/13/2006 7:01:48 PM
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Walt Rogers
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I agree, no titles or self-proclaimed experts. Perhaps credit cards can be used for identification purposes in order to secure a login. This would virtually eliminate duplicate ID's. With the exception of spam, the site is very similar to a usenet newsgroup instead of a forum trade tool for adjusters.
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/13/2006 9:38:50 PM
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katadj
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Well now. This site has been up and running since Oct 1995. I personally joined , when found, in Dec, 1995.
Through the years, we have, thanks ONLY to Roy Cupps, created an environment, a society and a brotherhood.
Where else can one go to gain the knowledge, ask the questions, be chided, provoked, understood, misunderstood or basically ignored?
There are a few other sites that are of interest to adjusters , but NONE approach the volume that is here. This site enjoys 45,000+ pages and as many hits as one could want.
Whatever course Roy intends to take, or has time to supervise, i for one applaud his efforts.
We all have an interest in CADO, or why would we be here?
IMHO, I'm thinking that CADO should become a MAJOR IA firm, with designated instructors, mandatory exams that must be passed and a constant input as to the who, what, where, when and how of this profession.
All that is needed is for someone to take the proverbial tiger by the tail and make them see the light.
Whatever happens, some of us will still remain faithful to the cause........................................................................
There has never been , to my knowledge , a designation assigned due to postings. Perhaps the Administrator, chooses to provide designations based on his opinions, after all it is HIS website.........................................................................
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/13/2006 9:49:42 PM
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CharlesC
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For all the benfits that anyone can get from just reading on this web site, I cannot understand why there are only 161 members that have paid the $24.00 to compensate the owner of this site.
I joined in August this year. With a contact I made as a result of reading on this web site, I was referred to another person who gave me an assignment that I worked 80 days straight and was well paid for my efforts. I would have never made those contacts without CADO. To me CADO is worth more than the fee.
Can anyone tell me why more have not paid?
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/14/2006 6:18:52 AM
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Clayton Carr
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Great question Charles, but, what does it have to do with the context of and question raised of the opening post; and the subsequent posts that followed on topic?
I really don't care if this thread goes for 80 more posts, covering 15 irrelevant issues not related to the thread name and opening post. But this is how threads loose any impact they may have, and quickly fizzle away to little value.
There are very few extra 'clicks' involved in opening a new thread, and your post makes a good new topic.
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/14/2006 8:38:35 AM
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mh0825
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quote:
ORIGINAL: katadj
Perhaps the Administrator, chooses to provide designations based on his opinions, after all it is HIS website.........................................................................
I can't help but disagree that it is "his" website...
While the website is registered to him and he holds control of any decisions, ultimately, I find this site is the poster's and viewer's of the forum. As I see it, this website was designed to help those in search of needed information for the CAT adjusting profession. If posters suchs as Kevin, Jim, John, you (Dave), Clayton and many others took a leave of absence from CADO, this site would dwindle down to nothing. Withouth the informative posts by members this site holds no validity.
I don't think a poster should receive a certain designation just for the number of posts someone publishes to the site. If there was a process, as Kevin suggested, to sort out the number of informative posts and give a poster a designation that way, it makes it much more reliable for readers and guests of the forum to search for reliable and correct answers. What it would take for that to get done is an entirely different topic...
We probably all agree that informative posters should be noted as so BUT what does it take on the Admin's part to weed through the posts AND then keep track of this information? While the people that have been posting here a while, I'm sure that could be done easily as they are already known. What about new members of CADO? It seems very difficult to keep track of this information while also being deployed for a CAT and having to keep up with the posts as well.
Just my thoughts...
< Message edited by mh0825 -- 1/14/2006 8:40:29 AM >
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/14/2006 9:08:29 AM
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okclarryd
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Mat,
If the postings were reviewed to determine those that are informative or insightful or meaningful or sarcastic or fun or dumb or whatever, Roy would have to come up with some different designations for the posters.
Some that come to mind would be "Knumb Knuts", "Idiota", El Stupido", "Professor Carr", "The Man", (no offense Debbie), "The Woman", (is that better?), "Reference Source", "Club Med Member", ad infinitum.
So, ya see, "Power Member" really isn't all that bad. It's kinda like one o' them stretchy sweaters. One size fits all.
And, after all that, who really gives a _ _ _ _ ? My password works (as I'm posting to the site this morning) which means that I am a member of CADO. Isn't that enough?
Can't we all just get along?
Koombayaahh, koombayaahh. Everybody now..........................................
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/14/2006 12:01:33 PM
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kilo
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Even though I'm not a Super adjuster , Super member nor Expert, I do have the ability to weed through the non relevant information posted here.
Not to mention that when a question is posted I look for answers by Jim, Kevin. Bob Matt and Other I know are far more experienced than I am. Isn't it amazing how I can identify the knowledgeable people on here already and I only joined this past December.
The whole thing can be resolved by staying on the topics of the forum. Any limiting of who can post would defeat the purpose of this web site, if only those designated as "posters" were allowed to post how would anybody pose a question.
I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but I know that, any restriction in the process of exchanging Ideas is not good. That is why we have freedom of speech granted to us by the constitution.
Maybe some of us need to re-read the Animal Farm by George Orwell
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/14/2006 5:31:05 PM
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ChuckDeaton
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Maybe a feature where voting on relevance is possible. A ranking of some sort by the readers. 1 - 10. An irrelevant post would be a 1 and a genuine helpful post would be a 10.
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/14/2006 5:47:08 PM
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ChuckDeaton
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I forgot to say that like my friend Dave I will stay true to the cause and that this is Roy Cupp's site, he can shut it down.
Over the years Roy has shown, time and time again, that he has the patience of Job.
He
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/15/2006 6:33:27 AM
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TomS
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WHY DON'T EVERYONE JUST PAY THE $ 24.00 AND JOIN AND BE A GOLD MEMBER AND BE DONE WITH IT.
IT MATTERS NOT THE TITLE IT IS THE INFORMATION OBTAINED AND USED WE GET. SOME WE FILE 13 AND SOME WE TAKE WITH US ALONG THE WAY THAT HELPS AND HELPS.
JUST A LITTLE SUGGESTION I.M.H.O.
I AM SURE ROY COULD USE THE $$$ TO OFFSET SOME EXPENSES.
oops sorry had my caps on, but too lazy to retype.
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/15/2006 9:28:46 AM
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khromas
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It is indicative of CADO how a forum such as this metamorphizes from the basis tenents of the triggering post and takes on multiple lives.
My premise in that post was to suggest discussion as to possible ways to indicate, for the un-initiated, the "credibility factor" of the poster's offierings without them having to post their resume with each and every post. (JohnD - what is the Latin term for professional designations and training?) I think Jim should change his CADO ID to have the entire "alphabet soup" of professional designations he has obtained after his name. I, personally, am in awe of what he has done to educate himself and the time and effort such training consumed in industry related education. My JD was a piece of cake compared to that! For people (I started to say 'bozos') to come here and try to argue policy coverage and interpretation with him is not only ludicrous but insulting to the industry.
As Tomas (kilo) mentioned a few posts above, repeat visitors to the site will develop a feel for the credibility of many members and the validity quotient of their offerings, but that takes a period of time and consistent visitation. To someone who is new or only a 'sometimes' guest, that determination may take a while to work itself out.
Finally, in closing, it is an industry fact that the revenue from a "paying membership" for sites such as this is a relatively small percentage of the income stream. The reality is that the advertising revenue from banner ads and linkage is the true revenue producer.
(Has anyone else noticed the designation changes once again? Now the unwashed masses are simply "Members", soon to be reduced to the status of "Just wasting air and taking up space from the paying members" category. All you "Gold Members" have now been sub-divided into 3 categories - "Founding Member" and "Life Member" - not really sure who gets top billing, and then just plain old "Gold Member". Guess ya'll will have to start a mutiny about being 3rd in line next.)
Added by edit:
To paraphrase George Orwell in Animal Farm - "All paying members are equal... some are just more equal than others"
Everyone have a good day and hug your family often!
< Message edited by khromas -- 1/15/2006 1:04:03 PM >
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/15/2006 2:02:32 PM
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Johnd
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Kevin
(JohnD - what is the Latin term for professional designations and training?)
Kevin:
Latin did not include designations and training; however, they did have an abundance of language relating to Title and Education. Some examples are shown below, and yes, some are tongue in cheek.
litterate (men of learning or the learned class)
intelligenti (the ingelligent class)
cursus honorum (honors obtained which have lead to a particular position)
AND, of course, a description, which pertains to traveling adjusters (smart ones at least) who are teachers;
clerici vagantes (wandering scholars)
Hope this answers your question.......
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/15/2006 3:23:07 PM
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JGardner
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I'm curious to know Mr. Roy's reason as to why the titles have changed. My best guess is that he wishes to reduce the chatter factor of which I, regretfully admit, am guilty of.
If this site were to become a major IA firm as Mr. Hood mentioned, my first guess was that would be a step backwards by attracting more hoober goobers.
However, I feel that it would potentially improve the overall quality of posts and information shared. Members would be more inclined to read and hold to heart any rules on etiquette, become more concise in posting as meaningful insights would be the incentive- not the number or volume. Also, you may see a more tactful approach in the tarring and feathering of the poor folks who have become so enamored by just having a crack at this miserable and dreadful profession we call cat adjusting.
Excellent idea Mr. Hood.
< Message edited by JGardner -- 1/15/2006 3:26:42 PM >
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/15/2006 3:37:08 PM
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Clayton Carr
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It is funny to read your post JGardner, you should do a little browsing of the forums to review the reams of "discussion" relative to CADO becoming a vendor, or the platform for a vendor launch, or the medium for any serious formulating plans beyond conceptual chat. It isn't going to happen - CADO become a vendor, etc - and the owner of the website made that clear some time ago. Dave in a previous post just refreshed to all, the memory of that chapter in the CADO sandbox.
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/21/2006 4:51:22 AM
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Camm7
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What classified someone as a "Super Member"? Just posting? What about credentials?
Makes no sense. Maybe it should be based on how much one pays to use this site. Freebees vs actual paying members. Just a thought
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RE: No more "Super Members" - 1/21/2006 2:16:28 PM
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SlimF
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Camm7
What classified someone as a "Super Member"? Just posting? What about credentials?
Makes no sense. Maybe it should be based on how much one pays to use this site. Freebees vs actual paying members. Just a thought
The cape usually gives it away....and the big, red S on their chest.
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