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Roofing Prices - 10/1/2004 10:52:42 PM
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AllCatMan
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Is it just me or is this getting to be a circus? I have started getting estimates on 3 tab 25 year roofing at evrything up to and exceeding $300 per square. The contractors are telling the insureds when they call around for additional estimates, that they are not getting into a bidding war. They willnot budge on thier price. The insured is unhappy because if they are to get a reasonable price will have to wait in excess of a year, and that is without a written estimate. Talk about price gouging.......I would laugh but it is becoming the norm in SW Florida. can you imagine $300 a square ...where is good ole Tom Gallager when he is really needed.........
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/1/2004 11:22:58 PM
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khromas
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I was told by the Sarasota branch manager when I arrived over here to allow $40 off for everything and $200 on for 3-tab and $225 for 30yr dimensional. Then you add the stacks and haul-off on top of all that. The sad part is that you will never see the prices go back down substantially after this mess is all over.
Are there any Florida adjusters out there who can tell us what prices were back in June - July?
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/2/2004 7:01:57 PM
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fivedaily
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I am using the same price database now that I have been using since May.
Except for an ~$21 labor adjustment, the prices are the same.
I am roughly paying ~$190/sq for 3-tab 25 yr shingles.
So, before the storm, that would have been ~$169/sq.
These prices include everything from tear-off to drip edge and a average amount of venting.
Jennifer
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/2/2004 7:13:10 PM
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katadj
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Initally we checked with a local roofing supply house, (ABC) and got a list of 30 contractors.
The going price for Lee and Charlotte county was 250.00 SQ before the storm, and now they are charging $300.00 and up.
Waiting lists are 6-8 months long.
The Local contractors association had published their pricing for most counties after Charley, but now it appears to be MIA.
At the time of the posting they went from a low of 225 to a high of 300, depending on the county.
Just like "Andrew", when I was in LA and was paying $80.00 SQ and then got to Miami and it was $275.00 SQ
Old rules of supply and demand. The insured has to be imdemnified, and if we pay $200 and they have to pay $300, then it's another re-open and several more months here.
Check the local pricing with several contractors, average them out, and see if you can close them.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/2/2004 9:01:20 PM
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LAW1526
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Prosource Roofing of Florida here in Orlando quoted $40.00 off and $160.00 on for three tab, price includes valley's, vents, drip edge and hauling.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/3/2004 8:46:01 PM
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incline
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We are roofing company presently in the Alabama- Florida who is reasonable with our roofing prices.
1-303-949-6442
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/3/2004 9:00:05 PM
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khromas
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Incline,
Are you willing to post your pricing and allow it to be used by adjusters attempting to settle claims in the area? Be sure and post what is included in your pricing and any extras that may come into play.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/5/2004 11:11:05 PM
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matthew
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I am a roofing contractor working the pensacola (60 mile area around)
my prices are set at $162.00 off and on plus $6.00 per sq for felt, $28.00 per vent box type, $24.00 per pipe boot, $4.00 lf vally, $8.50 lf ridge vent, $225.00 chimney flash, $225-300 for trash removal. Every house I roof gets drip edge (included in my price) & (free up grade to 30 yr dimmensional shingles)
Anything over 6/12 I add steep charges.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/6/2004 7:27:00 AM
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trader
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Thank you Matthew for the Pennsicola solution, now we need some East Coast Contractors to step up, and give thier home base coverage.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/20/2004 8:50:35 PM
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shadow
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I am currently working with an Orlando area company as an estimator and we use ONLY xactimates current price list with no modifications as to line item pricing.I won't work for anyone who wants to "customize" the price list.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/21/2004 7:43:30 AM
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kirubup
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Shadow: Xactimate’s price list for roofing is out the door. You are not Adjusting, you're estimating. Taking the time to research current market conditions and finding a local reputable contractor, with whom you have an agreement with regard to pricing, is a valuable tool.
This will give you credibility when facing unscrupulous contractors. You can advise them that you have an agreed price of $220.00/ square with xyz roofing.
Going strictly by Xactimates price list will not properly indemnify your insureds. However, it will generate a boat load of supplementals.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/21/2004 8:14:04 AM
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goose
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Good job, Matthew.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/21/2004 9:20:33 AM
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shadow
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Well the last time I checked that was exactly how xactimate generated the price list by polling local contractors and suppliers in a given area and then figuring the average for that area. Which is basically doing your research for you. So as long as you are looking to pay Fair Market value and have an accurate scope of damages then using xactimate pricing should in no way be "out the door"
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/22/2004 6:40:36 PM
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Frank_G
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I'm curious?
I met with a roofer yesterday on a 6 square patch job on a 53 square house. He tells me that a new FL law requires complete replacement on any repair job over 5 squares. Does anyone know anything about it? Is it true?
Thanks, Frank
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/22/2004 8:20:18 PM
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JimF
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That's one of the oldest lines ever used on new adjusters and I'm surprised it is still going around.
Please tell us you didn't buy it?
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/22/2004 9:48:25 PM
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khromas
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Just received a 41 page e-mail attachement with the building codes for a lot of the impacted counties. Virtually all of them are identical in their wording on roofs:
Not more than 25% of the roof covering of any building or structure shall be replaced in any 12 month period unless the entire roof covering is made to conform to the requirements of the code. To install roofing that withstands (MPH varies from county to county) per (whichever) County.
(If the roof is already up to code, you only owe for what is damaged, whether it be 10% or 80%.)
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/22/2004 9:49:21 PM
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Wes
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In Florida if a roof is not up to current wind codes and the roof needs more than a 25% repair then the entire roof must be replaced and brought up to code. If the insured has "Law and Ordinance Coverage" or some other form of code upgrade coverage then the insurance company must pay for the entire roof replacement. If there is no code coverage the roof must still be fully replaced but the insured will have to bear the additional expense above and beyond the repair. All this information is available on the internet but I don't have a current link or the time at the moment to locate it.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/22/2004 10:03:57 PM
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CATMANNNN
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Shadow,
You don't buy into that **** that X-mate states about roofing prices, do ya?
If so then x-mate would publish the listing of qualified roofers that would support the State Farm Low Bottom Dollar Pricing.
Let's see if they put that list on the CADO site.
Bet you a buck they DON'T
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HOUTZ
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/22/2004 10:46:00 PM
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Wes
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http://www2.iccsafe.org/florida_building_code/changed/ch-34/sec-3401.pdf
Page 4 under roofing. If in a designated high velocity wind prone area (any coastal county and further inland some areas) if 25% of the roof is replaced the entire roof must be replaced and brought to code.
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RE: Roofing Prices - 10/27/2004 9:50:10 PM
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Bruce
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The truth in the matter is there have been over 500 contractors shut down for not having workers comp, and in this state there isn't anyway around it. I am a contractor and have worked in several states and xactimate writes the prices exactly what the major insurance companys ask them to. If you ask the contractors that carry all the proper insurance then there is no way they can do the jobs at some of the prices that started out in Florida. You take MN for instance they were paying 225 for 25 year 3 tab 5 years ago and the only reason it wasn't higher the contractors could elect out of the worker comp. Here in Florida if you don't have it on every single roofer helper, and you get check which is happening everyday they will shut you down. Also they have a whistle blower site that all anyone has to do is call and they have to go out and investigate the site and check each roofer for a ID card then they call into the agent to see if they are covered. The rate is around 60% plus the liability insurance. So look at it this way. The insurance companies for years have gotten away without paying for all the true burdens that the contractors have had and didn't have to pay. Well in Florida all contractors have to have all this insurance and that has driving up the cost. Also when it comes to the high wind areas the only way you will know if the home really is up to code is you have to do a deck inspection to make sure the decking is nail properly which if it was built before 1996 it will have to be re-nailed to six inches on centers on the jointing edges. Also all the roofs felt have to be nail with tin caps 6" on centers at overlaps and 12" on centers on the rest of the felt. The shingle have to be Dade County approved and the metal edging is different from the normal 1-1/2 metal edging, plus put 8" of mastic between the starter and the shingles.
I not sure but you probably haven't seen that many roofs going on for the number that there is to be done. Go figure. There are still lots of issues that have to be addressed. Just like these patios that have to be tied into the existing roofs. The tile roofs, on new construction, wasn't so bad, how about now when you have to tear off the roof to the deck, install felt with the tin caps, and guess what you have to hot mop 90# to the felt, and you are doing that over a new paint job, landscaping, etc etc. A big mess and you want this work to be done for 350 or so. Good Luck. Check with the Florida Roofing & Sheet Metal Association and see what they have to say on the prices.
Home Depot is getting anywhere from 400 to 450 a square on 30Yr.
So there is no way to give a solid price list to adjusters that will be good for the entire storm. Gas is now $2.10, shingle are higher, Labor is going threw the roof and will continuing to climb. So what is solution, give the contractors a solution and I'm sure you will get all the help you need. But don't get caught in these prices are too high and you only have a hand full of roofers who can do over 500 roofers in a year. There are over 500,000 homes & businesses that have some kind of damage. Come up with a solution where the claims can be settled and the roofers can get the roofs on.
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