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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/27/2006 5:41:58 PM
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Russ
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aporco, How can there be sour grapes, when IA's did great with the inflated roofing prices. $325. 00 for 3 tab, $1000.00 for tile. I loved it. I didn't think it was fair to the Carriers and eventually ME that will help pick up the tab for Citizens losses here in Florida, but that's life in Florida.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/27/2006 8:26:53 PM
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aporco
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Russ,
I agree wholeheartedly. However, not everyone worked in FL last year. If you think $325/sq was inflated, how about well over $600/sq.? In the Keys, I saw an estimate from Home Depot for a 14 sq roof for $11,000; Conch Roofing quoted $8,800 for the same roof. And, of course, everything else was up from there. About 600 sf of wood flooring cost Citizens $23,000. Now there's a place where pricing is ridiculous.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/28/2006 7:12:10 AM
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FloridaBoy
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Russ,
I agree wholeheartedly. However, not everyone worked in FL last year. If you think $325/sq was inflated, how about well over $600/sq.? In the Keys, I saw an estimate from Home Depot for a 14 sq roof for $11,000; Conch Roofing quoted $8,800 for the same roof. And, of course, everything else was up from there. About 600 sf of wood flooring cost Citizens $23,000. Now there's a place where pricing is ridiculous.
I saw a Home Depot bid at $600 a square for three tab in Naples.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/28/2006 9:30:19 AM
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Russ
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My quotes were what Carriers were willing to settle the losses for. I worked Key West and had estimates from P A's for 600.00to 800.00 for 3 tab, but would only pay what the carrier allowed. You do have to take the area into consideration. Key West is a whole separate set of circumstances. Lack of contractors, subs, and materials. Most of these coming from Miami.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/29/2006 2:36:31 AM
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PORTASATGUY
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South Florida is Much Higher than Central or Northern Florida. For instance In Gainsville Area the price is about $175 SQ, and In Boca Raton the same roof is $325....... Supply, Demand, & Labor...... Like most everything else! UNLESS ITS OPEC of course!
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/29/2006 6:59:26 AM
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Wes
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I handle daily in SE Florida and roofing prices minimum 3 tab $375, tile $800. These are the bottom minimums and the contractors and PA's will dispute these prices and get more. Up to $1200 on tile and $475 on 3 tab.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/29/2006 5:36:43 PM
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jojo
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Guy's.....Home Depot Pricing ???, most adjusters out there know Home Depot prices are based on XYZ Contractors price including 20 to 30 % + profit margin and then marked up again by Home Depot with a 20 to 30 % + profit margin ....what carriers are paying Home Depot prices that you know of ?
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/29/2006 7:36:22 PM
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aporco
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Yeah, everyone here knows that Home Depot's pricing is outrageous. Homeowners think that becasue they are a big-box-store their price must be right on.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/29/2006 7:38:59 PM
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brighton
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jojo
Great example of why Home Depot estimates are so high. Does anyone out there remember when Sears was the everything store? It was the same thing and still is except in roofing (think they got out of that).
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 6/29/2006 10:30:30 PM
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katadj
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Like Sears, HD has a contract with many installers.
Sears used to charge a flat 15% of the contract just to use their name, so you automatically have an 18% increase, including OH&P.
I have not seen a breakdown from anyone that reflects what is being done for the price.
1) Does it include debris removal?
2) Does it include re nailing of the decking to meet the current IBC code?
3) Does it include OSHA expenses if warranted?
4) Does it include lawn and planting protection?
5) Does it include pool cage enclosure protection?
6) Are material and use taxes included?
7) Is Workman's compensation insurance and general liability insurance included?
8) Are all required permits, inspections and guarantees included?
You really cannot just say yea or nay to a unit price without knowing what is included. All of the above are factors that contribute to the bottom line costs of any job.
Look in any of your data base explanations and see if they include anything except material costs and adjusted area labor rates. I seriously doubt that they do. Ergo, the above items need to be addressed in some fashion.
All I'm saying is to CYA on any estimate your write, because your lower posterior becomes a very large target, no matter the real size.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 7/11/2006 2:07:50 PM
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ClaimHawk
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Good point katadj-
High standard business model example;
Roofing Cost Detail* Roofing labor
Base wage / Paid leave / True wage / Taxes&Ins. / Total
Roofer / Slater-$23.70 / 1.85 / $25.55 / 26.90 / $52.50
Roofer’s Helper-$19.80 / 1.54 / $21.34 / 22.96 / $44.30
Demolition Laborer-$14.40 / 1.12 / $15.52 / 13.48 / $29.00
~ Paid leave is calculated based on two weeks paid vacation, one week sick leave, and seven paid holidays.
~ Employer’s matching portion of FICA is 7.65 percent.
~ FUTA (Federal Unemployment) is .8 percent.
~ Worker’s Compensation for the roofing trade was calculated using a national average of 58.20 percent.
~ Unemployment Insurance was calculated using a national average of 8.7 percent. ~ Health Insurance was calculated based on a projected national average for 2006 of $605 per employee (and family when applicable) per month. Employer pays 80 percent for a per month cost of $484 per employee.
~ Retirement is based on a 401(k) retirement program with employer matching of 50 percent.
~ Employee contributions to the 401(k) plan are an average of 6 percent of the true wage.
~ Liability Insurance is based on a national average of 14.0 percent.
* 2006 National Renovation & Insurance Repair Estimator
(By Jonathon Russell - Published by Craftsman Book Company)
1. Market costs are relative to market conditions. Should extra contractor support be required in a devastated area, the contractor can easily be required to manage extra overhead, and pricing will indicate those overhead realities.
Too, being away from home, caring for crews room and board, and etc. business costs and overall 'hassle factor', is worth premium pricing.
2. Sales / construction estimators can work for a 10% commission of the gross sale. Their efforts are based on skilled damage assessment and reconstruction estimation performance.
3. Prompt reconstruction efforts may lower a carriers' future risk. One may pay more now in order to pay much less later.
4. Personally, all things considered, I feel prices in FL are questionable.
< Message edited by ClaimHawk -- 7/11/2006 2:17:56 PM >
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 7/12/2006 12:55:30 AM
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swink_d
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That may be true
but those percents have not changed since 2003 when prices were far less,
As far as traveling to perform work demanding a premium . The preminum is the windfall in the volumn of work that is available.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 8/28/2006 12:47:01 AM
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rex
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shingles you are talkin about are oil based and will go up as gas goes up the way I delt with it was to go to a local supplier get the price before the storm and the price now that way you have proof.
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RE: ROOFING PRICES - 8/28/2006 12:54:19 AM
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CATdawg
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shingles you are talkin about are oil based and will go up as gas goes up
Not necessarily so. Gasoline is high for the most part because our refining capacity is too low to efficiently meet demand, and gasoline is but one "fraction" in the refining process.
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