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RE: NIAA - 9/16/2006 10:09:10 PM
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JGardner
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ORIGINAL: Justin
Let's see. You sold a 53 Million $ company, took the money and went to Vegas and blew it. Then you sold your RV for a grub stake and started adjusting. Last photo I saw of you, posted on caddo was you in front of a slot machine. Now you want folks to send you money for a new association.
No thanks, I'll pass !
I am utterly shocked. Has anyone else read this?
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Some people just can't stand to see a good thing succeed. Roy et al., I applaud your efforts and this is just a good sign that a very good thing is happening. Stay strong and I hope you get well.
Best,
Jud Gardner
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RE: NIAA - 9/16/2006 10:31:26 PM
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Gale
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ORIGINAL: Justin
I heard that everyone is waiting to move over to the new adjuster site that Kevin Hromas has started. It is going to be run in a much improved fashion over this one and will have all the old timers posting again.
Robin, overlook Justin. While he and others can see that point of view if they wish you need to know he is more in the camp (mindset) of another group that wanted to (are trying to do or are doing) what Roy E and some others are doing with NIAA. Just click on Justin’s name and follow his posts and a few will help you better understand. There are emailing campaigns in the background that are trying to shoot down any chance of NIAA becoming successful. Roy E and the others will be under attack five years from now and they know it but they will keep moving forward I expect.
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RE: NIAA - 9/16/2006 10:40:55 PM
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katadj
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Yea , tho i walk thru the valley of death, i shall fear no evil, because the right people are by my side.
There are always those , for whom jealousy and fear, are motivated to attack and try to derail anything that may upset their applecart, so to speak.
Instead of supporting a movement that has taken 10 years to get started, they shoot down all efforts to support the success of one. This is clearly a submersing effort by a few to sabotage all of the good that may come from such an association.
Each has an opinion, to which they are entitled, however divisive, arrogant and self serving it may be. Let the chips fall where they may.
THE POLL SHOWS A 90% POSITIVE FOR NIAA, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF SPEAKS VOLUMES.
As for Justin and some others, they need to know that they must be accepted by the membership committee before their dues can be paid. Do we need such naysayers? In a word , NO.
They can all go back and crawl under the rock form whence they came, IMHO.
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RE: NIAA - 9/16/2006 11:25:20 PM
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Justin
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Fear no evil, jealousy, fear attack, derail, upset applecart, submersing [sic], sabotage, divisive, arrogant, naysayers, go back and crawel under the rock from whence they came.
And this from your vice president.
All I said was "I'll Pass" and gave a darn good reason for doing so.
Sick, simply sick!
< Message edited by Justin -- 9/17/2006 4:12:00 AM >
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RE: NIAA - 9/16/2006 11:52:03 PM
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margar
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Justin
In the overall scheme of things I would label you as nothing more than the dirt that I kick from my shoes after a days work.
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RE: NIAA - 9/16/2006 11:58:30 PM
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racko
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Wow, this wasn't quite what I had in mind when I commented that the thread had been rather quiet for an important topic such as this. Sometimes the sparks fly when another log gets thrown on the fire.
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 12:22:03 AM
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Tom_Toll
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I have been an adjuster for more years than I care to remember. Never, in my life have I seen such deceit, spite and hate going on. Justin, when you attack NIAA, you sir, are also attacking me. and my honor in this profession. I can take your insults with a grain of salt and smile a little at your inuendos. It is obvious what you are doing and to whom you are friends with. You give no one credit for having a brain on CADO except you and your kind. I fear you may not understand what you are starting. There are many intelligent people on CADO, be they ol timers or newbies and I feel strongly that all know what is going on in the background, via -mail and other methods. I also feel that all the CADO members have the intelligence to make their own decisions.
I started to say something about the 3 G's website, but feel I am a bigger man than that. Mr. Hromas's web site is available for all to see, so all can make their own judgements. I have no right to judge others, unlike you and a few others. NIAA will work, is going to work, and will be up and running very soon.
You are attacking Dave Hood. Are you kidding. That man has more adjuster and construction knowledge than any here on CADO, including myself. I feel you may have started something you and the others may soon regret. Time will tell, won't it.
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 3:55:13 AM
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There are schoolyard bullies everywhere you go <sigh> and usually they show the level of maturity that is required in the third grade.
There are also experienced "fishermen" who know what bait to toss out in order to get the nibbles they crave at the end of the line.
As long as those egos are acknowledged, the desired result is achieved and the behavior will continue. Ignoring insults and what I can give no more of a name to than "Stupid Remarks" usually is counterproductive to the desired reaction those crave.
In this and other threads, I see these schoolyard bullies trying to get a reaction and I imagine they are having a good laugh and feeling proud that their manipulative abilities are working.
Let’s not feed those egos any longer. Why even acknowledge that a gnat flew by?
I know the desire to defend is strong, but it’s accomplishing the very thing they are attempting to instigate. The juvenile behavior is apparent and the shallowness of the person/people screams all too loudly.
Yes, sometimes you do have to ignore the elephant in the room to make it go away.
~M~
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 8:51:53 AM
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Gale
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The CADO forums have developed into a much more positive and supportive force it is clear to see. There is a natural tendency to destroy the property and rights of others we know just by watching the evening news. Sometimes it takes the negativity of others to show the negativity that lies in us. It seems only after we come to grips with our natural tendencies can we not be totally controlled and limited by them. Keep up the good work and positive spirit. The negative spirit grows weaker as the positive spirit becomes stronger.
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 9:00:48 AM
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malvi
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[Let's see. You sold a 53 Million $ company, took the money and went to Vegas and blew it. Then you sold your RV for a grub stake and started adjusting. Last photo I saw of you, posted on caddo was you in front of a slot machine. Now you want folks to send you money for a new association.
No thanks, I'll pass !
[Let's see. You sold a 53 Million $ company, took the money and went to Vegas and blew it. Then you sold your RV for a grub stake and started adjusting. Last photo I saw of you, posted on caddo was you in front of a slot machine. Now you want folks to send you money for a new association.
No thanks, I'll pass !
Justin
To pass on joining the organization is your option. I am sure there will be others who do the same and none should be criticize for exercising their free will.
However, to bad-mouth a man who shared his story with everyone in an honest and open way is plain and simple low. I did not know Roy's history before reading his post but now that I do, I feel even more strongly about joining NIAA. The honesty of his post shows me he has character and is not afraid to show the good, the bad and the ugly. In my opinion, such courage and truthfulness is necessary in someone who has chosen to serve others in a leadership role.
Malvi
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 9:17:43 AM
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kittycat
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This website is of the respected John Maxwell...enjoy your new resource for encouragement of charactor and leadership.
http://www.injoy.com/
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 9:31:51 AM
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jlombardo
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Gentlemen and Ladies......
We are suppose to be professionals......I know that we are all very passionate about adjusting and our points of view, but let us not trash each other........Justin, if you do not wish to join an assocaition, fine, do not join, no one is forcing you to join.....but there was no need to trash Roy's post..........
Joe Lombardo
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 10:30:27 AM
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geterdone
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Harsh Justin just Harsh
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 11:04:31 AM
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olderthendirt
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I certainly didn't want to see any personal attacks in what I reguarded as a serious discussion. But I do feel few if any of my questions were answered.
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 11:04:46 AM
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tadle
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Can anyone tell me when NIAA is expected to be up and running?
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 11:44:22 AM
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Tom_Toll
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Let's resolve one issue that appears to be in quagmire right now. There are officers that volunteered for this endeavor. They are known as interim officers, until such time as the voting membership nominates and votes for permanent officers. The officers are not, or will not receive payment out of NIAA funds. There is an interim executive director, Roy Estes. He will not be paid for his interim service. Roy is the spearhead of this organization and has worked very hard to see NIAA start, come together, and finish. An executive director will be hired, hopefully a retired adjuster, cause the pay certainly won't be much. Again, no officers, board members, chair people, or executve director is being paid. It's all volunteer work. We do it because we believe in what we are doing.
There are related expenses that some of us are paying for right now, but expect re-imbursement. These are minmal and will be discussed and revealed to the general membership. Members will own this association. Only people directly related to the claims industry will be allowed membership. No public adjuster's, contractors, or attorney's will be allowed membership.
We have some excellent people on the board and chairs. A list will be forthcoming. There will be a meeting of the board very soon, so that we may meet each other, discuss our goals, and develop a mission statement, etc. These people are volunteers and will not be re-imbursed for milage, etc. We are now Incorporated as a non-proift association and have the necessary IRS numbers. We are now a legitimate association.
Memberships will be handled by the membership committee and dues will be in the hands of the Secretary/Treasurer. Disbursements will require approval by the board.
If any of you prospective members have a question, e-mail me or any of the interim board members. We will have a private forum on CADO that can only be accessed by members.
Stayed tuned for updates.
Your Interim President
Thomas L. (Tom) Toll
< Message edited by Tom_Toll -- 9/17/2006 12:31:34 PM >
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 12:57:55 PM
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tiwiii
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ORIGINAL: Justin
Let's see. You sold a 53 Million $ company, took the money and went to Vegas and blew it. Then you sold your RV for a grub stake and started adjusting. Last photo I saw of you, posted on Cado was you in front of a slot machine. Now you want folks to send you money for a new association.
No thanks, I'll pass !
I don't see any hateful remark here. He simply reiterated Roy's statement and then his decision not to join. The only attack I see is from some of you who don't want someone to speak his mind.
I have been around this site since '98, and I have much respect for all those long term veterans of Cado. I am neither for or against what is going on, but I did want to point out that CADO (from the Admin) is not NIAA's forum. Even though a majority of NIAA supporters come from CADO and NIAA is using CADO as a platform to disseminate information, CADO is made up of many others who may not want to participate in this organization. It seems that there is another Guerrilla forming and that is anyone who disagrees with the crowd.
Justin did not say anything derogatory about Roy E. He simply re-stated what Roy said. I for one am not opposed to someone speaking their mind. It creates diversity and spawns thought. You may not like what someone has to say, but as you are entitled to your opinion so are they.
....SO.....
Go ahead and post your comments about how I am "one of them" or a "mean person". If I am to be called that for speaking my mind, than so be it.
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 1:31:59 PM
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Tom_Toll
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Nobody should call you mean for an opinion. I noticed you were not putting down someone, so your comment was welcomed. I agree that comments can sometime be spirited, but then you have to allow comments about those spirited remarks without condemnation. Tom, you are entitled to your opinion also.
NIAA now has a private forum for officers, chairs, and members. You will have to be a paid NIAA member to join. This will keep the CADO boards clean of misuse and condescending remarks. Thank all of you for your understanding. NIAA and issues can still be discussed within CADO under the NIAA thread.
< Message edited by Tom_Toll -- 9/18/2006 2:05:09 PM >
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RE: NIAA - 9/17/2006 2:21:55 PM
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LEBCATADJ
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I only recently joined CADO, however, I have been coming to this site for almost a year. I am a Newbie as I have only been an IA for a year with two storms experience. I do, however have many years of experience in construction, insurance and computers. I also have a 4 year degree (which only means I should have the capacity to learn and have reasonably good english skills) and a LOT of experience working with people.
I have learned much while reading this site and never really been bothered too much by the negative comments on newbies or anyone else as everyone has the right to their opinion. I have never met anyone personally on this site but have gleaned some knowledge of some of the posters by their comments. The comments against Roy (which I interpreted to be highly negative and a little more than an just an opinion) seem to show there is a lot of antagonism between memebers here. If someone doesn't believe background statemensts that is also their opinion but why put that out in a public forum without substantial proof. And who really cares if he mad and/or lost money, that is his business. Even if the negative side were true, this organization has several people involved that would act as checks and balances as far as funds are concerned. One person, who has shown here to be one of the positive ones would have no way of using funds for personal use.
I for one commend those that are starting this or other organizations that might better this business and the adjusters side of it. Time will tell if it will be successful or not, but why be negative about it from the beginning. (this means any organizaion or group) I haven't been around here long enough to know the backgrounds of some CADO members that seem to be feuding with current posters, but from some scathing posts I have read, they don't seem to be on each others Xmas card list. I read the posts and make my own opinion as to how they approach things, and again that is just my opinion. My opinion and $1.25 will get me a cup of coffee at my local eatery. If they don't have to listen to my opinion I think they would give me the coffee for slightly cheaper price.
We will all benefit much more from a positive outlook (not blinders) on life and our business than the negative approach that some seem to be taking.
Larry Boyer
I constantly tell my kids and grandkids that you will be far more successful with a positive attitude in life that approaching life with a negative attitude.
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