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Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 6:03:47 AM
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MRichardson
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I recently posted a bulletin for an adjuster to handle 18 storm files from last year. The responses I received were to say the least, unprofessional, to say the most, they were scary! I’ve broken them down into basic response categories.
EXACT QUOTE FROM THEIR EMAILS:
How much is the hourly rate?
I’m your man
Name and phone number only
How long will it take me to finish them?
Call me (left no phone number)
I am not a Florida adjuster but could help you next week
What can I net from these files?
Do you want me to send you my resume?
I received 118 responses to my bulletin in just three days. Out of those 118, only 7 included resumes. Understanding that things are very slow this year, one would hope that when applying for any work that one would show his/her professionalism right from the start.
Maybe we should address in a thread how to help everyone properly and professionally solicit work? If the responses I received are any indication of the work product that is being produced, I know of 7 adjusters who will always be on someone’s “A” list.
I did assign the files to one of those 7 adjusters, who even in an initial email, demonstrated the concern and professionalism needed to be shown in order to walk away with the work being offered.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 7:14:28 AM
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DAVIDR
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Need person to finish up 18 storm files in Florida. They are in the Ft. Myers area and are Hurricane Wilma origin. These have come in late due to owners being out of country and previous adjuster failing to follow up.
Payment will be based on an hourly rate and paid upon completion of adjustment, not when the file is paid!
Please help as I cannot go to Florida from Maryland for just 18 files.
Thank you,
Mike Richardson
Mike , Your add looks very professional, I have no ideal why the 100 plus responses that you received did not all include
resumes, references, ect. It's not as if you were begging for help.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 7:23:44 AM
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MRichardson
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I'm sure you have no "ideal", thank you for making my point.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 8:26:32 AM
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Cat40
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In responding to a thread that provides absolutely no information about who wants our professional credentials, I would hesitate to send my resume. This does not mean that I am not professional or experienced. This simply means that I would prefer to get some additional information about who I am sending my information to before I provide personal information to a complete stranger who has only asked for help handling 18 Wilma files!!
In fact, I did respond to your thread. What I received back was not professional and quite suspicious. It was an e-mail indicating that the address provided in the thread wasn't working properly. Now perhaps this was all on the up and up. But if I were you Mike Richardson, I would refrain from putting yourself in the "professional" catagory before you go back and look at your post and response through unbiased eyes.
I am not trying to bash you, but you have certainly bashed everyone who responded to you. Unfairly for certain. Jump down off your high horse and get real. You aren't any better than the rest of us, you just think you are. For those of us who also hire for other companies, I would say that your response was less than professional and your "professionalism" should be questioned.
But, like you, I am only a thread on this site and your opinion does not matter to me. Those who live in glass houses.........
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 8:41:06 AM
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MRichardson
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Cat40 makes several great points. While my bulletin may have appeared to be less than professional and I did write to several, to inform them I was having problems sending from my email, I never asked for private or personal information, merely a resume in order to help me make a proper choice as to who I could hand these files off to. With that said, maybe we can now look at the message in order to help others who are just starting instead of the normal "shoot the messenger" syndrome that so often happens on these threads.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 8:49:45 AM
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DAVIDR
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Mike, Maybe I'm overlooking, where is the part about the resume'?
"Need person to finish up 18 storm files in Florida. They are in the Ft. Myers area and are Hurricane Wilma origin. These have come in late due to owners being out of country and previous adjuster failing to follow up.
Payment will be based on an hourly rate and paid upon completion of adjustment, not when the file is paid!
Please help as I cannot go to Florida from Maryland for just 18 files.
Thank you,
Mike Richardson "
The reason any of your emails came back was the add showed the email in caps, if an adjuster copied then pasted, the email would
come back as undeliverable.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 8:50:40 AM
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bcashon
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Mike--Mike,
Please! remember? ouiet---ignorant---prove so---over head. I am trying to help you here.
We have to get old ,BUT we do not have to get grumpy.
Bob Cashon
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 10:00:51 AM
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Tiger
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......and I'm the professional person who wanted to know what the hourly rate was. Unfortunately Mike is in a position where it's not worth his while to make a trip to Florida for 18 claims, but he assumes everybody else is so desperate that they will accept claims without the terms of compensation being communicated prior to agreement. Tell us Mike, how would you have decided who the lucky dog would have been to receive those whopping 18 claims if you had to review 118 resumes to determine the best qualified adjuster showing interest. While you are at it, tell us who the professional adjuster is that let these files sit for 10 months and is now scrambling to get them covered. I'm guessing it's the same arrogant jerk who didn't request a resume in his bulletin or show the common courtesy of responding to inquiries. May we all aspire to develop such professional qualities so that we can end up on somebody's "A" list. Sorry, Mike. Gotta go as I just received a big fire loss directly from a carrier and I have to get a certified letter out on another file where a carrier named me as the appraiser.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 12:29:29 PM
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MRichardson
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TIGER, I sent out a .pdf letter to those who had the curtesy to send a resume with their first email, said letter setting out rate of pay, auto, etc. Further, these files came to me directly from the carrier who I have had many years of a working relationship with, so I truly don't know who they had the files originally with, it was not me. My fault too I'm guessing was assuming that an adjuster wanting any work, either 18 or 1800 files, would have to be told to send a resume outlining your qualifications in order to be considered.
DAVIDR, the error in the emails was not on getting them, it was on my end in replying to them, so that aspect was all on me and no one else. For some reason my yahoo would not allow me to respond, which is why I wrote several reply's from my main server, again that end of it is totally on me. Hope that clears that up for the people I did elect to write to and provide the compensation and other info for.
Thank you all for your input.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 12:38:18 PM
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RedSupraT
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Can I just phone handle them for you? 
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 1:06:24 PM
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Tiger
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118 responses and only 7 resumes were sent? According to your logic, that random sample indicates that 94% of catastrophe adjusters are "unprofessional". Tell me sir, as the self-appointed expert on adjuster professionalism, why all the internet job postings clearly REQUEST that a resume be sent. Why don't these organizations assume that potential adjusters know that a resume should be sent?
And I would think that anybody who would pretend that he made a relevant point by attacking another poster's spelling error, would have the common sense to make sure any of his subsequent posts contained no such selling errors themselves, to say nothing of grammatical errors. As such, I will show you the "curtesy" of making it a point to demonstrate that you are a hypocrite.
Have a nice day.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 1:12:43 PM
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olderthendirt
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Am I missing something? An offer is made to assign 18 files (in a year when we are starving and there are more adjusters then ever) and people expect to get hired with a 2 line e-mail? Maybe they thought if they replied they would get a check mailed to them.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 1:14:39 PM
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jwg
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Wow!! It seems we all have a lot of time on our hands. I have really recieved a lot of usefull info from this web sight, and recieved alot of good laughs. I thought I was getting a hard time from my wife for sitting around the house for too long, but its nothing compared to the ridicule you get for simple mistakes on these forums!
JWG
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 1:16:58 PM
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swink_d
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Just Curious?
Why wouldn't you just tell the carrier you weren't available to service these claims? After all they aren't claims you wanted to work anyway.
Before I went running claims for an individual I would demand a gazillion answers to my questions. Like Who pays me? Who am I working for? Whos name is the claim file gonna be in? Whats your take of the fee bill
I am quite sure honesty is the best policy in this case.. I would tell you everything about me after you told me everything about you..
Have we forgotten the "know before you go"
quote:
Do you want me to send you my resume?
I must admit the Irony I see in the original poster berating folks for not sending a resume to a very vague ad and using the above response as an example of unprofessionalism.
edit: I am not taking sides .. just sharing my thoughts
< Message edited by swink_d -- 9/19/2006 8:19:03 PM >
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 1:22:53 PM
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Tiger
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No olderthendirt, I'm sure the 111 out of 118 people who wanted a little more information regarding the details of the assignment before forwarding a resume containing their personal information to a total stranger are the ones who are the ones that are missing something.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 2:03:51 PM
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JGardner
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yikes, thread's getting out of hand/ post deleted.
< Message edited by JGardner -- 9/19/2006 2:23:42 PM >
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 2:41:17 PM
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Wes
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I see problems on both sides of this discussion. However I will say that I have never contacted any vendor for the first time without including a resume. I don't even know if Mike is a vendor or who he is but if I was soliciting work from him my correspondence would have included a resume and sample wind file in .pdf. All of you newbies need to put a package like this together and have it ready on your computer to instantly email to any vendor that you get a contact for or that requests it. If you are concerned about private info such as SS#'s leave this info out but include a note about available if requested. It is funny that Mike started this discussion and may have no ground to stand on himself but unfortunately he is absolutely correct, I guess he got lucky in sticking his neck out on this one LOL.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 3:00:18 PM
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yebolu
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Guys,
The answer is in the middle of all the argument. While the ad may have been vague, the professionalism in the response is still an issue that needs to be tackled. Given the fact that many of those who responded may be newbies who may not have an idea of how to package oneself to an employer. Based on this premise, I believe the motive of Mrichardson, is to bring this fact to light and, to develop a thread that will help those on the sidelines who are willing to learn. For the experienced and sometimes jaded adjusters, with the ranks of adjusters swelling to enormous proportions this year, things may not be business as usual as many of them remember it. The profession is evolving and I hope some of these changes will be noted and tackled by the newly formed NIAA.
The most important fact is that a response with or without a resume may give an insight into the responder's underlying perspective of this job. Is it a service or a profession?. If most of us consider adjusting to be our profession, including a resume when answering an ad goes with the territory. If we see it as a service, we may adopt the informal attitude of sending in more questions than the answers planning to supply our information after verifying facts. Afterall even when jobs are advertised as temps, it does not exclude the requirement of sending some facts that will show one's experience or possesion of the essential KSA"s ( knowledge, skills and abilities) for the job.
Personally, If i answered the ad, I may have sent in an e mail asking to know more about the company and the offer, with a promise to send my resume immediately upon receipt of a reply. One has to be sure also that this is not a crank or a shady organization with the motive of exploitation.
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 3:04:51 PM
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Fishhead
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I think it's ironic that this started out appearing as an attack on "newbies", yet of all the responses, only one came from a "newbie", and it did not indicate that he was one of the persons that responded to the bulletin in the first place. The only productive post here is the above post from Wes. It actually offered helpful info without berading anyone. Thank you Wes. I have had a resume for a while, and will now make a sample file to send out if necessary. God knows I have time!
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RE: Looking for work? - 9/19/2006 3:05:50 PM
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kittycat
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What he said...(yebolu).
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