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JimF
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 Posted - 03/10/2003 : 07:03:14
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Whatever happened to FREE SPEECH?
If you want a society without disent or debate, Iraq comes to mind.
Free Speech.
Embrace it.
It's the American way. |
Edited by - JimF on 03/10/2003 07:06:03 |
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mshort68
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2003 : 07:06:31
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| These boards took it away remember! It always comes back to haunt you Jim. |
The grass is always greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed! |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2003 : 07:20:42
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'TRUTH'?
Who's 'truth'? |
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KileAnderson
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2003 : 10:46:05
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Jim, free speech is alive and well. The problem is what the Hollywood people are saying just doesn't make sense.
They are not protesting the war, they are protesting George W. Bush. If that's how they feel they should just say it. They say things like "Inspections work, Iraq isn't hiding any chemical weapons and if we do invade, he'll use those chemical weapons he doesn't have on US troops." Which is it?
Bill Clinton sent US troops all over the world. (Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti, He hit Iraq with 400 cruise missles in '98, he bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan) Nobody in Hollywood protested back then, because they liked the guy in the Whitehouse. Now, they can't stand GW so they protest when he is doing his constitutional duty to protect the country. Most of Clinton's military missions were of the humanitarian variety, they had nothing to do with national defense.
I'm not one to call people anti-American, but I just don't see how people can look at the threat we are facing and not think that we have to do something. Part of being free is the responsibility to defend that freedom. The Bush protesters may not be anti-American, but they aren't doing their country or her troops any favors by giving the enemy the impression that the US public isn't fully behind the president and the military.
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Dadx9
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2003 : 17:45:58
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So... you believe that by moderating personal attacks or off subject comments we're limiting free speech on this site?
Just to be current on the subject. I think all of the posturing right now is too politically driven. I think the time has come to quit looking for approval and make a decision and stick with it. But you see I don't think U.N Resolution 1441 was needed. The treaty signed at the end of the Persian Gulf War was violated by the president of Iraq. The UN does not have the backbone to stand by this treaty. There lies the problem. They wrote the terms of the policy (treaty) they collected the premiums, now someone (President of the US)is filing a claim and the world (the carrier) is denying the claim. We know that there's damage, we know that there's coverage. The right thing is to settle the claim! |
Don
"To be held in the heart of a friend is to be a king."
Bruce Cockburn |
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mshort68
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2003 : 18:36:38
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| Very well said. Amen! |
The grass is always greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed! |
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olderthendirt
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2003 : 21:52:45
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| Cheney and Rumsfeld, the only one who scares me more is Ascroft. Bush doesn't scare me because he is ... well he is Bush. |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2003 : 21:56:51
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Mark, it's called bleating around The Bush.
(And yes, that's bleating not beating)
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ChuckDeaton
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2003 : 07:24:40
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The average age of the Infantryman is 19 years.
He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is
considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears,
not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country.
He never really cared much for work and he would rather wax his own car
than wash his father's; but he has never collected unemployment either.
He's a recent High School graduate; he was probably an average student,
pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy, and
has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or
swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away.
He listens to rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or jazz or swing and 155mm
Howitzers.
He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is
working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.
He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can
field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the
dark.
He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher
and use either one effectively if he must.
He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional.
He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march..
He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without
spirit or individual dignity.
He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues: he washes one and
wears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry.
He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle.
He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts.
If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his
food. He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle
when you run low.
He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were
his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job.
He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still
find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death then he
should have in his short lifetime.
He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them.
He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in
combat and is unashamed.
He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while
at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away'
those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even
stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he
defends their right to be disrespectful.
Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather, he is paying
the price for our freedom.
Beardless or not, he is not a boy.
He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over
200 years.
He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding..
Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with
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DonP
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2003 : 07:40:52
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| Well Spoken Chuck!!!!! |
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Dadx9
USA
143 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2003 : 07:51:24
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| Yes, thank you! |
Don
"To be held in the heart of a friend is to be a king."
Bruce Cockburn |
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tomgriffin56
USA
88 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2003 : 09:14:46
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| Best description I've ever read. |
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TomToll
USA
87 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2003 : 10:15:30
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Very good Chuck. As far as the moderators editing some posts, no post is edited unless there is a personal slap at each other. This cannot be tolerated. If you diasgree with a post, you do not have to make cutting or demeanng remarks about the poster. This is a heated issue right now and will be for a long way down the road. Lets back our government, and our young men and women, regardless of being a Dem or Rep, after all, we are all Americans. I do agree with Charlie Daniels remarks, some of the Hollywood folk need to don some fatigues and go where the danger lies.
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2003 : 13:27:55
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I'm glad my political symbol is not an elephant or donkey. It's a junkyard dog and I don't have to be politically correct. Chew on that, and remember a secret ballot is for the junkyard dog party. If you want to get half the people against you claim to be Republican or Democrat. If you want them all against you come on over to the Junkyard dog party, hot dang its a hoot.
The democrats and republicans have this impending war backwards. The democrats ought to be going after saddam's (little letters) Republican Guard, and the Republicans should contribute to their campaign fund. After all they did steal the name from Lincoln's party.
I wonder who is going to pay saddams debt to france,germany,russia and china if this conflict puts the old boy out to pasture. He owes them all and I don't believe the people will justify paying his war material debt even if they have to change the name of the country. This gives a whole new meaning to getting paid for your vote or veto. I always said you should never trust a friend because you never know what he will do. Trust an enemy and you know where you stand, aways with your back to the wall. Of course a wise man will do that with a friend.
Has anyone ever thought how far our Army has come since the Revolution. Washington had throw a dollar across the river to get them to row him over, then didn't even get a seat on the boat and had to stand like he was in charge.
We never get the skinny on history because NATIONAL ENQUIRER has not seen fit to print their version of the truth, which is the banner publication for the Junk Yard Dog Party.
Well being an unforgiving soul and bigot, I am for collecting saddam and his coharts up and doing a sex change operation on them, using pig glands or parts and turn them loose in Afganistan. Being an ugly bunch I doubt they would attract a following. The arabs have brothels and saddam could work his way up to madam with his leadership abilities.
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JimF
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Posted - 03/11/2003 : 14:34:43
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| Newt, I saw an interesting quote today which suggested that we do in fact need the French on our side, if only to have an experienced party to teach the Iraqis how to surrender. |
Edited by - JimF on 03/11/2003 14:35:40 |
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