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R.V. Winkle
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 Posted - 01/28/2004 : 00:07:31
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| And who, exactly, is the "we" you keep referring to? |
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Reconstruction Man
124 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 00:26:10
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---RV Winkle
With all due respect, we've made it clear what we need...to stop insurer scams.
The ocassional "we don't have any control over carrier conduct" remarks, we feel, passes the buck that perpetuates the insurer mentality that is described in our "How Insurer[s] Underpay Claims" topic...
For certain adjusters, who know better, to claim their hands are tied is hard to believe.
Opps...three sentences...if this one doesn't count...
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Reconstruction Man
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 00:35:30
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--JimF
So you can sleep tonight...I personally am a registerd G.C. in the following cities...Weslaco, Brownsville and Port Isabel. Again, I specialize in reconstruction work.
Now...anything else you need to know? Oh yeah...and what about our question to you?
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Cecil
USA
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 08:05:47
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RC man, You certainly have let the root of bitterness burn you. Unless all this diatribe is for effect. No one is without sin, but the blanket conclusions you draw are not universal. I've done adjusting for over 30 years and never yet has a company requested or suggested that I "save" money on a claim. I also talk with contractors daily and they say the unhappy contractors are the ones who don't know how to handle a little adversity and a few who keep up with this forum think you are just an unhappy camper.
Obviously you are not. Bitter perhaps, but maybe just burned and unhappy that all can't see it your way. There are always more than one way to skin a cat. What you need to learn how to do just like we all have to learn to do is make the best of all situations and develop sound strategies to win.
This can be done without castigating and vilifying others. The debate can be endless. The old saying comes to mind. A person convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still. Give us and yourself a break. Most of us as you have never willingly or intentionally underpaid a claim. Occasionally we have missed part of the scope. When that is done we just simply add to it.
Now if there are some individuals who in their misguided enthusiasm cross those lines and you know who they are we are all behind you to give them all that they deserve.
Whether you are preaching to adjusters or contractors you are preaching to the choir if you are in support of honesty, fairness and integrity.
Most of us want to make a buck but we want to go home each night feeling good about what we did this day. I hope you take this right. I support you as a person, but I won't support anyone who makes general, blanket conclusions that all who don't agree are completely wrong.
I also feel that a lot is lost here in our reading and our responses. Obviously both sides are guilty. Sometimes we are agreeing but we get caught up in parts without seeing the whole. Let's agree to disagree without being too disagreeable. Since this dialog began I have been more cognizant when working with contractors on reconciling estimates of their side of the issue. If we as adjusters are doing that, then you have been successful at least partially in your quest. |
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olderthendirt
USA
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 09:09:56
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| Now we have the kettle calling the the pot black! You want to stop insurer fraud. I stand by my previous comments tha there is a class action (and a lawyer) in the back ground. If not, then why don't you clean up your own back yard. Such wonderfull practices as: taking a contract from the elderly before hail damage is determined and then when none is found enforcing the contract; charging, mostly the elderly or women, twice the going rate for work (or is that a form of O&P); shoddy work and on and on. By the way I have never had an insurer ask me if I need a new TV, how much it would cost per file for work, or which weekend I would be free to go to Vegas. While we are not perfect we all have contractor stories the would curl your toes. |
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Ghostbuster
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 09:15:08
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Thank you, Cecil, for the 'oil-on-the-waters' sermon.
Also, thank you, Recon Man, for finally exposing your purpose for all the diatribe. To be succinct, it's a 'We don't like Allstates settlement scam' thing. Had you made that clear in the first place, you might well have garnerd a more receptive audience. As it is now, you are viewed as a subversive. We also have reason to doubt the veracity of your allegation of being a registered contractor. Further investigations are underway into your background, associations, and business dealings.
Now, please, who is this 'we' stuff? |
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okclarryd
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 09:16:08
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Fellas and gals, I have the answer to this little "thing". It's not a big "thing", but it IS a "thing".
Let's just quit replying to the Most Verbose Recon Man.
Whatever your reply might be, he will have another and it just goes on and on and.............. |
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Ghostbuster
476 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 09:20:02
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| That's true, Larry. And on a cold winters day, what better way to while away the time and heat up the blood than by digging up the true dirt on what has become our latest, greatest pest. |
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katadj
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 09:29:25
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Reconstruction Man
124 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 11:31:50
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--Cecil
"Now if there are some individuals who in their misguided enthusiasm cross those lines and you know who they are we are all behind you to give them all that they deserve".
All through our postings we have emphasized that CERTAIN adjusters do the things we have been discussing. We also made clear that we have worked with truly professional adjusters. We're not asking for credit, just reply's based on our actual position regarding our discussions.
No one is bitter here...just informed.
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Reconstruction Man
124 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 11:51:53
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--olderthendirt
"While we are not perfect we all have contractor stories the would curl your toes."
I have contractor [so called competition] stories that will curl your toe hairs and nails...
Including ourselves...no one here is perfect. Imperfection has what to do with the insurer speak described in our "How Insurer[s] Underpay Claims" topic...?
"As it is now, you are viewed as a subversive. We also have reason to doubt the veracity of your allegation of being a registered contractor. Further investigations are underway into your background, associations, and business dealings."
Contact form site members make it more than obvious you do not speak for all other thinking individuals on this site.
What info do you all need? Maybe I / We can help with the doubt thing.
"Now, please, who is this 'we' stuff"?
"We" are a claims settlement research group. "We" are the other "inquirying minds".
--okclarryd
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Reconstruction Man
124 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 11:55:32
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--okclarryd
How do issues get discussed, and possibly resolved, with silence? |
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Russ
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 11:58:20
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| Its obvious that reconstruction man CANT go through the proper channels to right his alledged wrongs, he is content in posting to US that he knows some of US are doing things that are less than honorable or illegal. If my Cat Manager tells me to pay O & P to only purple homes with a mother-in-law named Pearl, Thats what he's going to get. By the way, being an upstanding Adjuster, I certainly wouldnt want to bill an extra 20% on any of my claims. If you read back a few years we had a roofer named Greg. You two should get together!!! |
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Admin
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 12:02:00
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| Reconstruction Man this is a pro adjuster pro insurance industry site. There are as you know plenty of other sites on the web that would welcome your views. I suggest that you look for your feedback on one of those sites. I will offer to post a link to your post on another site so that those that wish to reply can. However, this does not seen to be going anywhere on this site and is causing disruptions. I'm not afraid of the censorship word. |
Roy Cupps -
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Reconstruction Man
124 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2004 : 12:10:44
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--Ghostbuster
"And on a cold winters day, what better way to while away the time and heat up the blood than by digging up the true dirt on what has become our latest, greatest pest".
Digging up dirt can get ones all muddy...Try visiting down here...we'll put you to work. Reconstruction work just goes on and on... |
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