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ChuckDeaton
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Gale
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 Posted - 03/17/2003 : 20:22:30
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| Chuck I could lived without hearing the remarks of this little girl. It is so sad that so many are in her condition. |
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JimF
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 20:58:13
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Gale, equally sad was the other speaker who refused to listen and was more than dogmatic in trying to cram his position down listeners' throats, as well as maintain a condescending and arrogantly rude attitude.
Thank God our military is not only fighting to remove Sadaam but to defend and protect our individual liberties under the U. S. Constitution.
Perhaps if the loudest voices had not drummed out the voices of reason and dissent during the 60's, over 50,000 of our young men and women would not have died in vain during the Vietnam War.
I support our troops and I support this President and I pray God will share his infinite wisdom with our military and political leaders, as God's perfect plan unfolds for mankind.
God knows what he is doing even if we don't and God is never wrong.
Let us all pray for peace.
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KileAnderson
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:00:39
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| Saddly, all those long haired hippies we see protesting American foreign policy and also those globalization protestors who don't even know why they protest, are as ignorant as poor little Andrea. Maybe one day she will grow up and see the world as it really is. |
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KileAnderson
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:10:04
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| Jim, they were merely trying to get the girl to answer a direct question, one she either would not or could not answer, thereby illustrating that her opinion had no validity. |
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JimF
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:12:31
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What gives you the right to label those with beliefs different from your own as IGNORANT?
I protested and protested and marched and marched and voiced my opinion during the Vietnam War and I am sure I was labelled a long haired hippy who was ignorant then too. Amazing how accurate the views of the anti-war activists and my views were with time and how ignorant those with knowledge became as the truth ultimately unfolded.
I am reminded of the biblical passage, that 'now we see through a glass darkly', and that includes you as well as me, as well as the pro-war and anti-war camps we represent with our views.
Only time and history will determine whether our going to war with Iraq now or ever, was/is the right decision and I pray God that it is. |
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JimF
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:16:53
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Kile she couldn't answer because they didn't want to hear her answer, just as Bush doesn't want to listen, hear and honor those with differing opinions, which by the way, includes a majority of the world's population and political leaders.
This country was founded on the very essence of dissent and long may the rights of the minority be preserved even as their voices are afforded the right to be heard without disgrace, condemnation and derision.
Every voice, heard or unheard, is deserving of 'validity' (whatever in heck that means under the circumstances). Her voice and her opinion is equally as sovereign as yours or mine.
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CCarr
Canada
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:17:05
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| Jim as a "long haired hippie", in the 60's; that truly would be a photograph worth seeing? |
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Gale
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:19:43
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| I am afraid we will be seeing victims on TV soon that will be asking the question raised by some Jews at the end of WWII. What took you 12 years to come to save us from the evil one? Thank God we have a President that is more interested in doing what is “right” for mankind than what would be “right” in a political sense for himself. |
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CCarr
Canada
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:22:44
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| Hard not to find merit in your last post Gale. |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:24:23
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I'm not saying everyone who's opinion differs from my own is ignorant, but when those people are asked point blank why are you against this or for this or even something as simple as what are you protesting and they can't even give you a coherent answer (Sean Penn) then they are ignorant sheep.
They asked that girl point blank several times how leaving Sadam in power would end his brutalization of the Iraqi people and she kept coming back with "Um, oh, ah, well, heeheehee."
She had no answer because she hasn't even thought about it. She's been brainwashed by her teachers and her friends and her Hollywood idols that WAR IS BAD BECAUSE GEORGE BUSH IS IN CHARGE.
She had the nerve to sit there and tell a man who had lived through this evil that we should just have a tea party and invite good misguided Sadam over and ask him to play nice. Would anyone have said to a prisoner at Auschwitz, "Don't worry, we're going to keep talking to Hitler until he decides to let you go. I know it's been years and it could take years more but at least we won't have to go to war. You undersand, don't you?"
This is just insane. Oh, and by the way, I still think the anti-Vietnam protestors were wrong. Communism was an evil worth fighting. Had there not been so many protestors during that war and the people had supported it, maybe the politicians would have had the guts to fight it the way it should have been fought and Saigon would never have fallen.
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KileAnderson
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Gale
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JimF
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:38:36
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It is not brainwashing to learn that war is bad period, Kile.
The lessons of history are abundantly clear on that, and for my hawkish friends, I hope they remember their words as well as their willingness to jump into war without, I pray, understanding the implications beyond winning the battle. And I hope they remember these days, in twenty years without bitching and finger pointing about a continued American military presence in Iraq at that time.
Gale may or may no be right in his scenario of liberation for some, but to assume a Mideast country with a culture, history and religion quite different from our own, wants to adopt a democratic form of government is a stretch for any who are informed of Mideastern nuances.
Americans and the world would be better served by vigorous debate and yes, the voices of informed and uninformed dissent, prior to jumping into a war, where after the battle is over, our American military will be required to remain for a generation at least to rebuild a country and a system of government, in order to protect three very distinct ethnic groups (Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis) with a history of war and hate, and to maintain a balance of power to prevent adjoining countries from taking advantage of a vacuum of power to seize land in the name of oil and profits.
This adventure by Bush is a 180 degree turn in American foreign policy since George Washington's day, and will create repercussions throughout Europe, the Mideast and third world developing nations for generations to come.
And if anyone truly believes that the removal of Sadaam will eliminate threats of terror on US shores, then they have their heads buried in the sand or otherwise inserted elsewhere.
As I said earlier I can support our troops AND our president in this time of grave national crisis and war, without supporting the idea and concept that it is the 'right' or 'best' path.
May God continue to bless our troops, our President, each of you, and the voices and rights or each and every American, heard or unheard, ignorant or knowledgeable. And may God continue to help those who would value, protect and defend OUR constitution. |
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KileAnderson
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 21:48:20
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| Jim, perhaps you misunderstood me, I never said war was good. War is sometimes necessary, but never good. I wouldn't say a root canal is good but sometimes it is necessary. If you give a child a choice they will do what is easiest. Children can't see the necessity of taking that nasty tasting medicine or sitting still while the doctor gives them an injection. It takes adults to make sure these children get what they need to remain healthy. That is what is happening now. After 8 years of children running things, the adults are finally in charge and they have quite a mess to clean up. |
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