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JimF
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1014 Posts |
 Posted - 03/23/2003 : 21:39:35
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| Gale, just remember the old adage, 'truth is the first casualty of war'. |
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Dadx9
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2003 : 21:43:54
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Isn't it something that nightly Kuwait City comes under attack from SCUD missiles. It can't be so. Iraq doesn't have those type of missles. And why wouldn't the Russians side with the the United States? Who cares that they are selling (or donating) military appartaus to the Iraqi's even as they voted to veto U.N Resolutions. Oh yeah shipped the military stuff in with Humanitaian supplies. And tonight how can it be that a compund used for making biological or chemical weapons was found including barbed wire perimeter?
Just wondering. |
Don
"To be held in the heart of a friend is to be a king."
Bruce Cockburn |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2003 : 22:04:57
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| Don, with all due respects, you need to check your facts on some if not all of the allegations you have posted. |
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KileAnderson
USA
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Dadx9
USA
143 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2003 : 07:27:42
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KIle,
Thanks for the respect. We'll see won't we? The facts are playing out.
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TomToll
USA
87 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2003 : 20:47:55
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I have said nothing on this topic, as that would be to indulge in something for which I have no control. I have no doubt that all of you love the USA. I have some doubt as to some commentary I read on this particular thread. Are we all of a sudden armchair Generals and politicians? Some of the replies have caused several folks to lose respect for some of the posters, myself included. Is this all we have to do is criticize or glorify an action that has and will kill many of our young heroes. I realize this is a free speech country, but enough is enough guys and gals. Try to educate yourself better in your profession and let the politicians and Generals run their show, good bad, or indifferent.
I ventured into politics over 30 years ago and found out really quick that it was not my game, primarily due to greedy, self indulgent and arrogant people. I would hate to think the CADO group could possibly be classified in that manner. |
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inside man
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Posted - 03/24/2003 : 20:54:36
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| Anyone catch Michael Moore's comments at the Oscar's last night? Who does this little man think that he is? Very few people know who this independent filmmaker is or even care. I find his comments to be totally inappropriate especially considering the events of this past week-end. I would like to see Michael Moore try some of his ambush style of filmmaking in Iraq. How long do you think he would last speaking out against Sadaam like that? |
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KileAnderson
USA
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2003 : 21:47:23
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Memo to Tom Toll: Tom I yield to no one in my respect for you as an adjuster and gentleman of the first order, but I absolutely disagree with the suggestion in your earlier post regarding this thread.
I do not know what your personal position is regarding this war, nor is it important to anyone other than you. Others, myself included, have been willing to share our thoughts both pro and con. Long has the CADO Forum been a melting point for discussion of controversial and different ideas and points of view, and those different points of view no doubt reflect the larger divisions of opinion of our larger society.
If anyone reading the posts contained within this thread and has lost 'respect'
as you say for some of the posters, then frankly, such loss of respect would be borne of the bias and proclivity such reader would have in leaning toward or embracing a prowar or antiwar posture.
I respectfully suggest that all of the posters, pro or con, do love this country as you suggest, and all do support our troops as they stand in harm's way. That does not mean that any citizen is required or responsible for silence when and if they disagree or question politics or policy.
The CADO Forum has always ultimately found a 'balance' on controversial topics sooner or later, and that holds true every bit as much for this topic too. Pick up any of this week's newspapers and newsmagazines or turn on your television and I think you will find that same 'balance' in reporting with commentary both pro and con regarding war and it's benefits or costs.
I applaud all who would seek to learn as much as they can about cultures other than our own, who would seek to expand their understanding of the causes of war and problems in prosecuting it, and who are open to discussion and dialogue with others of differing opinions.
And if any party or parties has lost respect for anyone here because of the views posted, then those parties need to examine their rather rigid inflexibility in any effort toward learning or understanding as well as their somewhat distorted reasoning of not being able to differentiate between the message and the messenger.
As one of the many 'news junkies' here on CADO, I for one enjoy these discussions and woe the day should they ever disappear.
And for others who are offended by whatever is posted freely under this thread, may I suggest just passing on reading this thread, and cling to whatever political and martial beliefs you hold. |
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2003 : 22:50:20
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Well, I sure cann't say it with the eloquence that Jim has, however noting Tom's post; I do have an urge to say something. I haven't said much in this thread, nothing specific other than general comments. But I do believe, although it is likely none of us "have any control", we are all tied in varied and many ways to the conflict - at least by family; myself included.
The commentary on this thread, due to its nature, would be expected to be weighted with emotion and disagreement. Why would this community be any different than any other pocket of society around the world, expressing their emotion and disagreement about the conflict?
I don't know what a 'news junkie' is defined as in normal society, but I know I reach out for facts and opinions from many sources and mediums; on this issue, my career, and other issues that from time to time make me want to explore and absorb all sides. This medium and this thread, gives me a small 'pulse' of the attitudes of a community that I can relate to.
What is wrong with being an 'armchair general or politician? What are those retired generals on CNN paid to do? A reporter, reports facts; whereas a commentary is meant to carry an opinion or viewpoint. If all the news agencies are taking an 'armchair' approach, for a segment of their programming; why cann't we, if that is one of our ways to better relate to the conflict? It is a fact of life, at this point in time, that most people in the free world are either glorifying or criticizing the event. To sit back and keep our thoughts to ourselves, on this event or any other of historical importance, goes against the grain of freedom; in any democracy.
I'm sorry Tom that your experience in politics was not all that you wanted it to be, but I would be equally disturbed if your wide and long handled paint brush slapped the CADO group with your negative connotations; because you felt everyone should be mute on the issue of the topic. |
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Todd_Summers
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2003 : 00:44:00
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Tom Toll yours is the last I could muster so CCarr and the Flynts have not been read (yet)...I am tired. I am working...but I have to say this ...
JF... you need to recheck your loyalty because the statements you have been making are not only antiamerican, but they deserve censorship. You and the influence you are provoking is why we are sending our children into danger. I am sick of hearing the things that are being said by people like you...I remember the remarks you had following the 9/11 tragedy, when you were trying to persuade us all to not even attempt to help w/ our services because there is no way that any of us are qualified for loss of business claims etc. etc.etc. Mr Jim Flynt...You are knowledgeable but you are an idiot. I am sorry for the strong language, but we are at war and strong language is appropriate. I have been reading the posts here regularly and just really haven't had the time to chime in.Kile Anderson you have demonstrated everything that a RATIONAL HUMAN could.
GOD bless us all ( and I know that HE will help destroy th evils in the world ) |
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Linda
USA
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 01:21:50
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I have made every effort to refrain from posting on this thread for my own varied and personal reasons.
There have been harsh words said, opinions expressed, a little "name calling", and the usual banter you hear in every Starbucks across America today. Some have complained of the politics of others and yet CADO has allowed this thread to continue. Just in case some of you do wonder, let me remind you that the blood being spilled on foreign soil today is human, warm, and red. It is American.
It is being spilled so that each of us and mostly out of frustration I suspect, continue to have the right to spill our emotions and opinions here in black and white. I doubt in this instance you would say it any differently if you were talking to your son, daughter, spouse or best friend.
While some are anti-war and some are "kick it and take names", all of you have the right to your own opinions. Should it be here on this forum or somewhere else? I don't know, I don't have the answers. I can only trust you keep the roar down to an acceptable level and regardless of how you feel, remember the service men and women and pray for their safe return.
Words once spoken can never be unheard.
Thanks for your cooperation and hope to see you all at the convention!
Linda Asberry
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2003 : 06:25:54
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Memo to Todd Summers: Todd, I accept that you as well as all of us, have very strong emotions during the stressful times that this or any war brings into our lives, most especially in today's modern wars with it's images brought into our living rooms in real time through the marvels or curses of television and the internet, and the latest Pentagon policy of allowing reporters to be 'embedded' along with our troops as the path to Bagdad unfolds.
I'll even accept your misguided comments as being borne of the high levels of emotion, angst and fear which you, as well as all of us share, however inappropriate and ill directed they may be.
I have said here within this thread on several occasions that I support our troops and I do. I have also said that now that this war has been initiated that I support our President, and I do. That does not mean that I nor any other American is obligated to agree with the Bush war policy, or to believe that winning the peace may not be more elusive than winning the military battles, nor that all Americans in a free land should walk lock step with this or any other presidential administration.
I would invite you with the greatest sincerity, to post three statements as examples which I have made under this thread, which you, or anyone else, feels is "antiAmerican" or "deserve censorship".
In the meantime, your charges and commentary are reckless, ignorant, and show an intolerance toward free speech which one might find within Iraq but certainly not to be expected levelled in a democratic and free United States of America.
And while normally a 'Moderator Alert' would be sent to remove or edit your outrageous post with comments unbecoming anyone of intelligence and civility, I will suggest it be allowed to stand as an example of the heavy handed way some would deal with the voices of dissent and peace within a country, where rights of free speech have not been suspended nor 'right' determined by the loudest voices who would, given the chance, squelch all dissent alien to their own.
And as I said in my last post, for anyone who is or may be offended by whatever is posted freely under this thread, which may include beliefs different from your own, may I suggest just passing on reading this thread, and cling to whatever political and martial beliefs you hold.
Ours is a democracy with fundamental guarantees of free speech and dissent, and when anyone would silence the voices of dissent and curb or curtail free speech, then America and Americans would become no better than the enemy and enemies we now engage.
May God Bless America. |
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Ghostbuster
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 08:32:28
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Well said, Jimmy, Darlin'.
Let us not be like the moronic dogs I see each day. While barking thru the chain link fence at me, they then turn and snap and snarl at each other. In a state of awe, I can't help but realize how they deserve to be in the buffet at Who Flung Dung's Chinese Restaurant. |
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Gale
USA
231 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 17:32:21
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This human sheild account helped me better understand the why of this war. It is clear several of us CADO posters might now be dead had we said the same things in Iraq about the head of that country as was posted on CADO. It is clear we do not understand freedom because we have not known the lack of freedom.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030327-040242-4131r |
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