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KileAnderson
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 Posted - 02/28/2003 : 21:50:02
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| I'd love it if we could get beyond the unnecessary and completely unrelated topic of race, which I don't think should ever be an issue, and get back to the light hearted discussion of war. |
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Gale
USA
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Posted - 02/28/2003 : 21:55:08
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Tom, a leader that will take the lives of young Amerian men that he put in harms way by withdrawing protection for political gain is an examle of "white trash".
http://www.lowcountrynow.com/stories/022803/LOCroe.shtml
"For 12 long years Hussein has thumbed his nose at not just the U.N. but at the world. He found that when Bill Clinton became president, the United States lost its backbone.
He watched as the Clinton administration let American troops be slaughtered in Somalia. When the call came from military leaders for permission to use increased force to save our troops who were in peril, the Clinton administration through Les Aspin and the president, refused to give permission."
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CCarr
Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2003 : 22:10:29
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Gale, I didn't expect you to start to wallow in the mud.
Naming a person, does not create a definition, it may be your vision of whatever your defintion is; but I still don't know what that is, and at this point I really don't care anymore.
But, how in the same paragraph, can you vilify someone and at the same time seek comfort from your Jesus Christ?
This thread has sunk to disgusting lows.
We could have all sat back in our imaginary 'Commander Chairs', and swapped logistics and critique on how to get the job done right in Iraq. |
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Justin
USA
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Posted - 02/28/2003 : 23:33:30
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Clayton, you have been right in here with the rest of them. Just because Gail says something that you do not like is no reason to declare this thread disgustingly low. You should be happy that he and others have not started taking well deserved pot shots at that crappy PM [Frenchman] you are laboring under. Remember clayton, you can always meet Flynt at another thread and hold hands.
PS To love and witness for Jesus and also be totally sick at your stomach with Bill Clinton is NORMAL.
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Justin
USA
137 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2003 : 23:46:00
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Clayton, after reading your post again, you said [seek comfort from your Jesus Christ?]. Am I to deduct from the YOUR that you are an athiest? OR was this just YOUR way of making a statement?
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Gale
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2003 : 00:47:57
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It is clear we can create enough BS on CADO from time to time to make us all sick. Folks I have been so busy that I have not paid much attention to what and who this pending war is all about. If you will read though this article from www.weeklystandard.com you may see another side to this issue. I know this war is real to some. Those of us that believe that pray is of value need to be praying for those in this article and their families still in Iraq as well as our President.
www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/314yltit.asp" target="_blank">http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/314yltit.asp
The Horrors of "Peace"
From the March 10, 2003 issue: Saddam's victims tell their stories.
by Stephen F. Hayes
03/10/2003, Volume 008, Issue 25
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2003 : 07:25:55
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Gale, sincerely, I'm glad to hear that you have been real busy; and I hope it has been in regards to keeping up with demands for your product.
Justin, big fella, no, I'm not an athiest; but yes the phrase you mention was specifically stated that way for a reason.
You perhaps misunderstood my remark concerning, ".... in the same paragraph ....". I really don't care who vilifies who, although perhaps it shouldn't be done on this web site; and political leaders anywhere - regardless of overall popularity - will always be exposed to a certain amount of that. However, the point was, to try and illustrate the apparent conflict in that sentence (i.e. vilification and professing religion - all in the same breath).
My view of the thread Justin, is just an opinion. Gale's post did not make the thread disgusting, it just - to me - added to the increasing fodder of religion, race and sex, that was already weighing on the thread as unnecessary filler; relative to the topic.
Finally Justin, although I know you mean well by it, and I note that I am not repulsed by seeing men hold hands in any medium; I would kindly ask that you not attempt to align me in any such relationship. |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2003 : 09:25:09
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It seems some of my comments got folks upset because they took a few words and turned them into a reason to be offended. My first comment was made in jest about being a racist wart hog.
I'll repeat again, I don't like some elements of all races, and I make no bones about it, I don't defend that element because they are a certain color. Being poor doesn't have any thing to do with it. I don't like lables people have adopted at the instigation of a few, we are Americans. All blood is the same color.
All it takes is one to start a problem with what some one says, and thats the same method used by our media.
If you happen to mention a certain element of our society that act like savages you are frowned on . Its not one race, all races. And because a person is of a certain race doesn't justify their actions. To me there is no such thing as white on white or black on black crime, it is all crime when innocent people suffer. Just as in the Arab nations they have even more suffering, because of an element I detest.
When you look at the root cause, much of it lack of religeous tolerance, one religion or no religion.
I am not the bigot here, some are offend and chastise a person who post here and mention their faith or faith experiences, then out of the other side of their mouth express their belief or non belief. I defend that right of an individual to express their oppinion and try not to be offended.
Lables are used by people to seperate them from what they should be, French Canadians are an example. They want to be French first, and not just a Canadian. Hispanics, Afro, and Native used in this country denotes other than American. I think there should be a project of our governments to instill National pride in being All American, no lables. It won't happen because there is an element with an agenda, some of it racist and some of it power motovated.
I still say and make no appologies, people are individuals and I class them on their own merits, if they act uncivilized, I call them what they are, and each race has a name for them.
On a bright side, I heard Saddam's field commanders are getting their white flags ready, from what I understand some have gone AWOL. Saddam has given the word to shoot those trying to defect.
If the elite Guard is the only thing protecting Saddam he may be in big trouble. They may stand and fight either way they are going to take a beating because they have carried out a lot of brutality on the people. Those weapons you saw people buying on TV in Bagdad may be used on the elite. This is what I look for. Fear does a lot of things in those countries to give the impression of a united front, and we won't know till the fat lady sings. I have an idea which may be wrong. There will be a massive surrender and our plans should include provisions for that, and see that they are treated well. This will create a lasting trust until the next tyrant.
For some reason a country that has one religion and no tolorence is always at war or threat of war and without exception the people are ruled by a dictator using religion to maintain power.
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Justin
USA
137 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2003 : 12:01:01
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Thanks Clayton, you answered my question. As far as the content of this thread or any other thread, what people write, they feel. If we are to have a free and open forum then it should be free and open. Sometimes a thread swerves off the original intended purpose and that should be OK. When folks post they mostly post with conviction and who are others to tell them they cannot.
Attempts in the past to keep a thread on the straight and narrow reminds me of the old commercial that says; "Stay between the lines." Adjusters are a fiesty, independent, intelligent, and opinionated bunch. Trying to controll their speech is somewhat like herding cats.
NEWT, again I say to you, your honesty is refreshing. I would venture to say that the majority of folks who read and write here agree with your assessment. I dont know about the rest of you but I think the PC [politically correctness] has gone way to far and everyone should do all they can to break and fight against ANY PC rules. IMHO, caveot, caveot, caveot, etc. etc.
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Noble R. Nash
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2003 : 14:26:29
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| Having read all your thinking on this matter,My son is 82d airborne for the last 18yrs.When we go hand to hand in Bagdad,it better be something more than oil.The tip of the ice berg,when this is over better show the mountain we all are told.Please pray for the kids who are going into this fight. |
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Gale
USA
231 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2003 : 15:24:49
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Mr. Nash, I do hope the mountain is found as well. My son is only 5 but it would be very hard to see him at some point put in harms way for no just reason. I will remember you and your son.
Thanks Clayton. Things have been a little crazy due to the fact we have gained over 500 new users in the last 90 days and hired three more people last week. Two adjusting firms on PowerClaim are having CAT seminars going on this weekend so that is about 100 new adjusters trying PowerClaim this weekend and next week. Another software vendor that traditionally has worked more with larger carrier accounts has apparently encouraged several smaller accounts (in their mind) that they inherited to move over to PowerClaim with more to come plus we are in the middle of the winter/spring tradeshow season.
It is hectic with a lot of travel but it is a lot more fun trying to lead a company that is operating with a positive cash flow. :)
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2003 : 11:12:22
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I am still looking for a revolt, and it will come just before the hand to hand. I don't think it will come down to hand to hand, it never has with those people. There may be a few snipers. The big problem will be handling the conscripts who defect, and that will be the majority of the Iraq Army. I don't think we are prepared to handle all the prisoners and may have to send them home. I still think if those who defect are treated well, our guys will have a much easier job.
Now would be the time to stockpile food and medical supplies, and put it on the tab. They would be able and willing to pay back in a short time. They would have the oil to do it with, not to us but who ever supplies the food and supplies. The country will need a line of credit which other Arab neighbors could provide. After world politics gets through who knows???
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katadj
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ChuckDeaton
USA
373 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 20:19:11
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| No matter what Charlie Daniel's says, war with Iraq is murder pure and simple. |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 20:48:55
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Chuck, murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. Casualties in combat are not murder. Plain and simple. What part of that do you not understand? What Saddam does to the kurds and people who disagree with him, or have the nerve to criticize the government, or people he just doesn't like, that is murder. What he did to the Kuwaitis, that was murder. What happened to all those people on 9/11 was murder. What will happen if we don't take out Saddam and he passes Chem/Bio or Nuclear weapons to terrorists is murder. What those Palestinian suicide bombers do is murder and Saddam pays their families $25,000 for it. I guess you could call it murder for hire.
Tell me, Chuck, both of my granfathers served in the Army during WWII, one in Europe, one in the Pacific. They both saw combat. Are my grandfathers murderers? I trained in the infantry for 9 1/2 years. Was I training to be a murderer Chuck?
I hope you don't take this personally, but people who think the way you do absolutely make me sick. If you don't feel the need to defend freedom and the right of you and I and everyone else to live in peace and safety, you don't deserve to call yourself an American. |
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