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CCarr

Canada
1200 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  11:02:51  Show Profile
Roy, thank you very much, I appreciate the concern you have shown; and the action you have taken.

Following my post in this thread of 2/4, your reply above, is to me a clear indication of your concern for the issues raised, and I am satisfied with the actions you have taken to return the forums to a value added benefit to each of us.

I have made 'waves' in the past, that I am sure have been irritating or troublesome, but they were always made - at least with a conscious effort - to clarify an issue and use the medium of CADO to advance opinion or commentary that I thought was pertinent to - as Don has said - 'help each other'.

So, taking another of Don's lines that I like, and would like to attach to; "I for one am willing to invest myself and allow others to invest in me".
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Admin

547 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  11:41:16  Show Profile
Kile posted the following comments in the Coverage forum, however, based on the above guidelines they are not viewable.

"What the hell is this about the off topic comments? Has this turned into some type of Gestapo that will decide what we can and can't say. I'm offended that Newt and I can't participate in some witty reparte' that is one of the reasons that I have come to enjoy this board so much. I am very dissapointed and I am awaiting an appology."


Kile Off topic posts good or bad will not be allowed in the Coverage Forum. I'm sorry this offends you but we do offer other areas in which off topic posts are allowed. We have tried to provide areas for all users.


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Justin

USA
137 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  11:49:43  Show Profile
Roy,
[Your new rules]
Coverage Forum.
The best area for interactive school type discussions. The main focus of this area is to educate and learn.
All topics and replies will be reviewed.
The Replies will be queue for review by moderators before being posted.
No Off Topic replies will be allowed.

This is unabashed censorship at its worst. You may want to insert the word INDOCTRINATE in lieu of educate.
And all this after your post of 02-04-03 @ 11:21

My last question is who is going to censor the censors?

Many of the changes you made were needed, I think this particular change is way overboard.
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Admin

547 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  12:01:26  Show Profile
Thanks for the feedback Justin.

Some visitors have indicated that the admin and moderators are not reviwing the post in a timely matter. The only way I can make sure that this is done is by using the moderation. However, if moderation of this type troubles you then consider posting in any of the other areas which do not have the same restrictions.

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JimF

USA
1014 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  12:06:33  Show Profile
In response, those who can and will 'censor' the 'censors' will be the readers who elect not to open, read or respond to coverage posts, for which their only desired response would be to make an off topic post.

Compliance with a set of guidelines or User's Agreement which protects the rights of everyone is not the same as censorship. Other areas of CADO which do allow off-topic posts should suffice to meet the needs of anyone having anything to say. Further, a poster feeling disenfranchised is possessed of the same power and right to post their own educational and/or coverage threads.

Readers should not have to wade through extraneous comments in order to find the vital and valuable information regarding coverages.

A simple review of Forum archives will indicate that Justin has never authored a new thread on coverage.

A further review will indicate examples of what many of us have been complaining about all along, with such comments posted within responses, such as:

"you need to put more roughage in your diet"

"it is only because he is a LIBERAL that he holds these views (views toward a policy or claim handling technique)"

These examples are adequate proof that your policy change is correct Roy to insure protections for the serious posters and students as well.

Others wanting more casual witty exchanges of repartee can find those other areas here where they will receive no complaint nor interference and likely no participation, from those with a more serious studied interest.

Thanks Roy. I applaud your decision, the more so knowing there would be dissent, especially most from those who prefer to disrupt. (Not you Kile)

Edited by - JimF on 02/05/2003 12:10:29
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olderthendirt

USA
370 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  12:10:17  Show Profile
Roy well done, while we need a place to rant and rave at each other once and a while, the coverage pages are not the place.
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ALANJ

USA
159 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  12:28:26  Show Profile
Would everyone PLEASE leave Roy alone. He was pushed into setting up these new guidelines. If you can't live within the rules of the clubhouse then I suggest you find another one.

I realize that we have had these types of problems over the years. However, this has reached an all time low. Let's all try to be adults. I suggest that everyone take a deep breath before posting. Are we going to ever get back to the business of adjusting??
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Justin

USA
137 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  12:43:19  Show Profile
Jim,
I can understand your desire to have any critique of your post censored. My statement about roughage was a kind way of telling you that your attitude was getting [constipated] and the liberal comment was most certainly not directed at any claim handling technique. This is a shining example of your twisting words to suit your immediate needs and another example of your need for censorship.

Roys post of 2-4-03 at 11:21 said it most appropriately.
"Another reason visitors may not post to your topics is because they may fear that they will be removed if when you get mad."

Apparently more than one person has you figured out.

Jim, I want you to know that I actually like you and respect your knowledge. You add a great service to CADO with your educational prowess. Sometimes sir, you are a marginal human engineer, which is a fault we all have. Try to educate without the hollier than thou attitude. Remember Jim, disruptive behavour, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder.

Thank you Roy for considering my request.

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mshort68

USA
138 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  19:15:32  Show Profile
Where is CatDaddy when you need him? I guess that he was censored?

The grass is always greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed!
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CCarr

Canada
1200 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  19:22:11  Show Profile
Help! Please?

Would someone go to the "Coverage" forum and go to the "Freezing Pipes" thread, open it and go to the end / bottom.

What is the last post you see?

I posted there at about 4.30PM ET, I can see / read my post, but it does not show up as the 'last post' nor does it show up in 'active topics'.

Maybe I'm the only one who can 'read' it, it does say "not moderated!!!" and has no date or time beside it where that normally is.

Coming on 4 hours now for that post to 'be active'???

Someone please have a look at let me know via this thread.

Thanks.
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KileAnderson

USA
875 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  20:04:19  Show Profile
I don't see it, Clayton. I don't know what the deal is.
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CCarr

Canada
1200 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  20:09:27  Show Profile
Thanks Kile.

This is crap!

It is over 5 hours since I posted in the "Freezing Pipes" thread and an hour or so since I posted in the "Assessment" thread.

I have also sent three inquiring emails to the Administrator over the last few hours concerning this; and have yet to be favored with a reply.
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Admin

547 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  20:49:36  Show Profile
That's moderation it will not show up until it has been reviewed by a moderator.

I stated this in my post about changes in the guidelines (02/05/2003 : 10:11:23).

Mshort, Catdaddy told me he was called for an assignment in Atlanta.



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CCarr

Canada
1200 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  21:03:26  Show Profile
Isn't that just lovely moderation by moderators!

What kind of back up do you have in the coverage forum, that would take one of the three of you to review and moderate for so long?

If you need more moderators - ask some people!

This doesn't make any sense.

Surely you are not reviewing and moderating word for word of your back up?

Does not a fairly quick scan / scroll review reveal if anything is not to your liking?

This system will not be conducive to posting in the coverage forum.

By edit, I now notice, after I finished the above, that there was 3 items in back log since about 4.30 PM ET.

Its just me venting, but remember the last time you called a customer service line and were told your call was in quene sequence, and you waited, and waited, and waited .....

Edited by - CCarr on 02/05/2003 21:07:43
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JimF

USA
1014 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2003 :  21:18:13  Show Profile
Ok. We can't have it both ways.

If this is the price we pay for ridding CADO of disruptive offensive postings, then it's a small price to pay.

Calm down Clayton. This is a change we all can live with in order to have order and discipline.
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