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Medulus
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12/09/2009 12:36 PM

Ray,

I guess it would depend on which adjuster is wearing the State Farm shirt whether it would have a positive or negative impact. Bob Harvey wearing a State Farm shirt while climbing a roof....that seems like excellent advertisement to me.  Hoober Goober, 3 Day Wonder Texas Adjuster, wearing a State Farm shirt while guzzling swill in the local dive bar and trying to pick up the bartender.....that would be a problem.

I believe that's strike three, Racko.

On a more serious note, there is a lot of good information in this thread.  Thanks to all the real professionals (you know who you are) that have been willing to share what amounts to their trade secrets.  May your footing continue to hold and may you stay with us for a very long time.

Steve Ebner CPCU AIC AMIM

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12/09/2009 1:31 PM
Do you all think it is un professional to drag up and throw your non closed files in a body of water, or take all your shirts that have a logo down on skid row and pass out on the street. I think it is.
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12/09/2009 5:08 PM

Well, it all depends if the act is done in a professional manner. If say, the folks on skid row in return send a complimentery 'Sunshine' letter to the president of the shirts company, it might make it sort of allright. And if the files were securely tied to a couple of bricks so they could become the beginnings of an artificial reef for the benefit of the nautical wildlife, and not just more floating litter, I guess it might be kinda okay.

But, if a snarky, back stabbing claims manager's feet are set in concrete and deposited in the shark infested sparkling waters off beautiful Miami Beach, many may see that as a honorable, justifible, and joyous act.

Other people may have differing opinions.

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12/09/2009 6:04 PM
Well, Ray, that question sort of comes out of left field. I thought it was rhetorical, but then you answered it. I suppose it would be unprofessional, barring the exceptions posited in the Ghostman's first paragraph. The second paragraph.....maybe taking it a bit far, Ephemeral One. Just hope that doesn't happen or Miami Metro may come knocking on your door. Hoober Goober's actions in my post are also unprofessional, by the way, for anyone who didn't figure that out. One should always change out of the company logo shirt before imbibing, and many should avoid imbibing under any circumstances. H.G., 3 Day Wonder Texas Adjuster Extrordinaire, would be one of those who should avoid the sauce.
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12/09/2009 7:53 PM

Steve, I was being facetious, you know that. I got the inspiration from an old Frank Sinatra movie from 1968, 'Lady In Cement', that was on TCM recently. By the way, I thought Miami Metro was the Bus Company.
 

I always keep a civilian shirt in the truck and change into it  in office parking lot when I leave in the evening. I wouldn't even imbibe a glass of pure, wholesome milk in public in a company shirt. I wear the company colors in the course and scope of my sacred duties, but never on my own time.


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12/10/2009 9:42 AM
It doesnt really matter if Bob is a great adjuster and represents State Farm in a glorious manner. Companies DO NOT LIKE YOU TO PUT THEIR LOGO ON WEB SITES OR ON YOUR PERSON WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Sure Bob is a great adjuster and climbs roofs like a billy goat, but these companies have standards that are way higher than allowing an individual who works on a part time basis for them splatter their pictures and blogs across a forum. Its in bad taste.

Double bad is the person that touts "I am currently deployed with these folks or this is what these folks agenda for the year is gonna be". You guys that have never worked for a large corporation will have no idea what I'm talking about, but ask these individuals in the next few months if they received an email or a phone call from one of the companies asking them to stop doing what their doing.

This forum should be about IA's helping IA's. Not an advertising site for Steep and Tall Schools, scoping schools etc. Not a site to toot your own horn about how great you are and how many companies you currently work for. Have some class guys, will ya.
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12/10/2009 2:18 PM
You have a point, Jim, and I do appreciate that. I almost wrote that in the previous post, but I was having too much fun being flippant. It's a Dilbert world and one should never leave oneself to the tender mercies of corporate executives expecting they will do something that makes sense.
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12/10/2009 4:28 PM
Thanks Steve......I'm really not trying to be mean by pointing out what I am. It's an attempt to enlighten people on what goes on in the minds of these corporate heads at the big insurance companies. Folks can be very fickle when it comes to their image and just who is representing them. I could have a picture of myself on this site wearing a USAA Cat shirt and a month later be involved in a wreck with a drunk driver. Even if the accident was not my fault, my face and name could possibly be put in the paper or on television and no doubt someone would call USAA and say, "Hey your the company that Jim the drunk driver works for arent you". IMAGE IMAGE IMAGE

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12/10/2009 4:45 PM

Jim-

Given the nature of your posts, would you want to change your last comment from a "USAA Cat shirt" to an XYZ Cat shirt?

RJ

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12/10/2009 4:45 PM
Based on your statements can't just your depiction above be taken out of context and used against you as well?
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12/10/2009 4:47 PM
My thoughts exactly RJ.
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12/10/2009 10:36 PM
Posted By JAustin on 10 Dec 2009 09:42 AM
...NOT LIKE YOU TO PUT THEIR LOGO ON WEB SITES 

Hi Jim, as you know 99.9 % of my focus was to put some info on the thread to possibly help others from taking an unplanned ride down the slope to the dirt.  I really didn't consider what shirt I was wearing.

Rather than argue about that (you could have a point), I will edit out the logo when I get a chance and re-upload the photo.  It will likely be at least several weeks til I can pull up photoshop and edit the photo cuz I am fortunate to be working at a new site and have to get over the wall of the first inspections.

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12/11/2009 9:30 AM
Just trying to help. I fully expected smart A answers from the likes of claims_ray and RJortberg. Way to take something meant to help out IA's and make me out to be the bad guy.

Congrats guys you win donkey rear of the week!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12/11/2009 10:17 AM
Just trying to help.

Gotcha, and that's what I thought.
You have pointed out something that we had not thought of.
I would like to point out something for you as well. I'm not sure how long you have been adjusting, maybe I am preaching to the choir if you have been doing this for a long time. More important than my ability to measure a roof is my ability to encounter people who are upset, maybe say things that "stir up the pot" - and just let it go.

The ability to get along with people (regardless of the circumstance) is very important in this biz. When you are working, likely you do the same thing I do and "be a nice guy" no matter what. I try to do the same thing in all areas of life (even on a forum) unless I am defending myself or family.

I fully expected smart A answers from the likes of claims_ray and RJortberg

Rich Jortberg has been active on this thread for months, has climbing experience. Maybe he doesn't place the degree of importance you do on the shirt issue.  From HIS perspective, you may be nuts for making a big deal about it.  At the end of the day, we all learn.

I don't consider Claims_Ray a smart *ss either, but if I did I wouldn't put it that way.  It's amazing how small this world is.  I just drove 9 hours to a new site Thursday, very small storm with 5 adjusters.  The claims mgr arrived, and knew 2 of the other adjusters.  The support people arrived, and I had just worked with one of them earlier this year. 

My point:  even if you need to bash someone, do it in a way that you could share a room with them next year on a future deployment.

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12/11/2009 12:20 PM
Ohhhh Bob! goodness. Ive seen some of your replies to some of the idiots on this site. Don't go all Holy Roller on me buddy boy!

The fact is there are idiots in this world. Just cause your friends with em doesnt mean they are less of an idiot.

I for one choose to keep my identity on this site a secret. You guys that use your real names and feel so good about yourself, hey more power to ya. But don't live in a glass house and cast stones.
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12/11/2009 2:32 PM

Hey all I said was I failed to see any harm to the companies from photos of an IA on a roof and what someone states is a company's agenda.
Now I do agree that we should not state information that could be considered a "Trade Secret" however I did not see any harm in what was stated. If someone choses to cut their own throat then more power to them and more work for the rest of us.
I also pointed out that "Anonymous Jim" (I didn't know that this was Cat Adjusters Anonymous or CAA) could cause harm to himself and the company that he named in a hypothetical posting.

I have been an A** in some of my postings however not in this case. In the cases where I have been an A** I have usually done in an attempt to be humorous and/or informative.

 

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12/11/2009 2:34 PM
Since were way off topic and going further each day, isn't it more than a little funny in an ironic way when the 'Better Than Thou' folks sooner or later get their come-uppance? Mr and/or Ms Clean always show the world they too can slip and fall in the dog poop pile, current case in point is Mr Cleaner than Clean, Eldrick 'Tiger' Woods.

When a lesson of life happens to me, all I can do is laugh and say, "I guess I had that coming".

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12/11/2009 2:44 PM
Claims-Ray if your post was in jest then I must apologize. I can see the humor in what you said. I should have said that my name was an anonymous to begin with so I can talk about whoever I want on here without fear of retaliation.

Ol' Ghost you are wise my friend. Lets leave the preachin to the preachers. All of us fall short of the Glory as the Good Book says. Don't preach to me of how holy you are unless you've never done anything wrong.

Amen!
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12/11/2009 2:46 PM
One more thing Bob. Can I say constructively that I think its most irritating when you copy peoples text on your replies.

Thanks, and gerat luck to you on your deployment.
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12/14/2009 8:40 AM

More important than my ability to measure a roof is my ability to encounter people who are upset, maybe say things that "stir up the pot" - and just let it go.  The ability to get along with people (regardless of the circumstance) is very important in this biz.

This is a critical skill for a catadjuster because you WILL encounter angry and upset people, and you have to work with them in a positive manner, if at all possible.  Failure to do this will get you taken off a storm long before bad photos or roof measurements.

Can I say constructively that I think its most irritating when you copy peoples text on your replies.

I agree completely!  Just kidding, of course.  It clarifies exactly what and who is being responded to.

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