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Last Post 05/14/2010 12:27 PM by  stormcrow
Any Hands on Training?
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Dantx
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06/11/2009 2:06 PM
    First off, I would like to thank all of you seasoned adjusters that take the time to answer questions such as this.
     
    I will soon be a 3-day newbie, and it seems there is a lack of hands on education in my area (LaPorte Texas: 30 min east of Houston)  A friend I worked with just finished a course and will soon have his license, and we are both concerned that IF we are called for an event that we could possibly make mistakes that would at best cause us to be sent home and not be called again, or worse, affect the insured. I'm very surprised that there is not a minimum hours of training or experienced required to even get a license.
     
    What I would be very interested in finding is a local school or someone experienced for me to assist them and train myself. Even if its just a basic walk through in a undamaged house using previous damage photos for reference. I would be willing to work for free or even pay for the training. I've researched this in other forums and googled with no success.
     
    Any advice would be appreciated.
     
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    06/12/2009 12:56 PM
    Dan I live in the Houston area, contact me I may be some help.
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    06/12/2009 10:17 PM
    Hi Ya'll:
     
    I have recently passed the Texas exam and am waiting for my license.  I, like Dan, would like very much to ride with an experienced adjuster for some hands on assisted training.  I am in Dallas, Texas.  I would like to be an intern, gopher.  I have to thank my friend, Larry, from Denver, Colorado, who turned me on to this very informative web-site.  When, we took the Texas licensing class together.  In fact, I will be going to the Crawford Classes this upcoming week in Dallas. Thank you in advance.
     
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    Dantx
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    06/13/2009 2:44 PM
    Ray, I just sent you an email.
    Thanks again
     
    Dan
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    bboake
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    07/22/2009 3:45 PM
    Looking for a Mentor. NorthWest Indiana, willing to do anything asked of me. KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT AND DRIVE Know how to clime a ladder walk a steep & tall roof, have completed over 1600 home inspections new to insurance adjusting, know xactimate and will have my TX all lines when it arrives in mail. Willing to travel Chicago area or Indianapolis area just looking to keep busy while improving my skills waiting on the big one. Thanks Brian
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    melissam717
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    08/17/2009 11:31 PM
    I live in San Angelo, Tx and was looking for an aduster to ride along with. I should recieve my license this week and would really lik to get some hands on training. Is there anyone in the West Texas area that can help me. I am even willing to travel to San Antonio or Dallas for a couple of days to get some hands on. What ever it takes.
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    catfraze
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    05/03/2010 4:18 PM
    Hello everyone!

    I am a newbie. I received my license last Aug. and have been looking for a mentor that I can follow, help and learn from. I have my license in Florida and a non-resident license in Mississppi, Georgia, and soon in Texas & Lousiana. My oldest son and I got licensed together and was hoping for some sort of experience before applying at any companies. I have taken the xactimate course but have little practice using it without something to use as a subject. We are willing to work for free sdo that we can obtain some experience in the field. I have 7 years experience as a Real Estate Appraiiser with plenty of measuring , photo, and estimating of damages experience. We live on the east central coast of Florida, so if there is anyone on this side that would be willing to share your knowledge that would be great!
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    Ray Hall
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    05/03/2010 10:19 PM
    Use your own house. Assume the roof was blown off. Also assume you need to to an I2V. (insured to value and work this up and send itr to me with photos of the roof as is just asume its gone with the wind. This is a start. I can be found, but that is part of your test.
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    brunsbeck
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    05/04/2010 12:47 AM
    It appears that our profession has been hacked by people that don t understand coverage.
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    brunsbeck
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    05/04/2010 1:03 AM

    Dan, Insurance is a very complex contract. You absolutely will make mistakes in the process of adjusting property. All people  interested in CAT should think about it long and hard. I would suggest something first, prior to CAT.

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    brunsbeck
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    05/04/2010 1:12 AM

    Ray, It is a shame to lull people into a false sense of security. I am new to this. I appreciate the forum that it is. It should be noted, that this path is not for the faint hearted.

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    05/04/2010 11:32 AM
    Dan,

    Back before making money by issuing/ renewing licenses was the thing. Texas required 40 hrs of classroom training for just the property adjusting license. You took another 40 hrs for casualty, 40 for comp, 40 for marine, 40 for auto. Leonards Training was the place to go. Now like you said, 3 days, sure to pass the test and you be an adjuster. If you have about a week steady, read over all the forums on this site. You will see many times the words if the loss is over your head, turn it back in. Better to turn it back in than royally mess it up and never be called back again.

    brunsbeck,

    I do not see where Ray is lulling anyone into a false sence of security. He is giving good advice. Do your own home and see what type of estimate you come up with. Better yet, go to a fire and scope and write it. Ray, if you have read his postings offers a boot camp for a next to nothing cost. What is very sad is for all the crying, screaming, pounding on the floor about wanting to learn, very few if any ever take him up on his boot camp. Guess it is because he never issues a "Certification" after his class or because it is not good for X hours of CE credits. What do you want, learn how to do the job properly or go some place that charges an arm and a leg so you are "Certified'?

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    05/04/2010 12:13 PM
    I tell all newbies the same thing, "Cobbler stick to your last", "get back on the porch" It highly unlikely that you are going to make a living over the long haul in this business.
    "Prattling on and on about being an ass with experience doesn't make someone experienced. It just makes you an ass." Rod Buvens, Pilot grunt
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    Ray Hall
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    05/04/2010 12:38 PM

    I did not have one person email me for two full days of training last weekend. I have never had but two people send me but one attempt to estimate thier own house. I will not offer any more help as it makes me look like a FOOL.

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    CatAdjusterX
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    05/04/2010 11:27 PM

    Mr. Ray

    I don't understand how so many folks who claim on a resume that they are committed to excellence and learning the business continually take a pass on offers (FREE OFFERS ) no less from an industry veteran !!

    I have posted hundreds of discussions on my site and others about roster placements, fee schedules, Xactimate proficiency , what folks can expect on their first deployment and the like and get great responses but when I post something along the lines of understanding a HO-3(1,2,4 ETC), it turns into a ghost town and get minimal responses                                                                                                                                                             When I post something on a Citizen's certification or something on the latest equipment and my forum has so much traffic , you would think you were at the mall on Christmas Eve, yet if I post a discussion on understanding O & P, almost nothing or a minimal response !!

    It is a sad state when folks decline an offer of a weekend boot camp from an industry veteran at NO CHARGE, but are climbing over each other to pay 500 bucks for a day or two of the latest certification because that certification will look great on a resume.

    Didn't being certified in something used to mean that the holder is deemed to be an expert in that discipline ?

    When did being certified in something change to mean you sat  through a day long class and get your shiny certification on the way out the door ?

    Certifying anyone who has the class fee in their pocket ?

    Make no mistake as I believe  the high / steep roof / rope & harness/personal fall arrest class is worth every penny and then some( I was in a wheelchair for almost 5 months from falling off of a roof) I fell off because I was an idiot not because I wasn't certified and maybe if I had the class, it would have reminded me of the consequences of being an idiot on a roof, who knows.

    You have 2 adjusters, strike that !! You have two people, one is an adjuster with 25 yrs experience with no certs and next to him is a person with a new adjuster license they just received last month and last week sat through a 1 day Citizen's certification class.

    Hurricane X just blew through Florida and Citizens is deploying adjusters, can anyone justify the new person with an adjuster license and the Citizen's "cert" getting deployed when the vet is overlooked because he didn't possess the "cert"? 

    ANYONE ?

    How many new adjusters know the reason for the existence  of Citizen's or TWIA for that matter ?

    New folks have flocked in the recent past to grab the Louisiana Citizens certification, can any new person with an adjuster's license and the Louisiana Citizen's certification tell me or anyone why you may really want to think twice about putting in 16+ hour days doing Louisiana Citizens claims.

    Why should a new licensee with the TWIA certification think real hard before committing to 16+ hour days doing TWIA claims

    (hint: it has to do with IKE)

    Please people ,understand that there is nothing wrong in being new to the industry (I am still new (6 yrs) in the trade) but there is more to the adjusting industry than Xactimate ,roster placement , IA firms, fee schedules !!!

    You need to understand not only what you are writing on an estimate , but WHY you are writing it ! The insureds livelihood and ability to move on with their lives hinges on a PROFESSIONAL writing their estimate, not some kid with a new license looking for a big paycheck by closing 10 claims a day !! 

    Robby Robinson

    "A good leader leads..... ..... but a great leader is followed !!" CatAdjusterX@gmail.com
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    gaustin
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    05/12/2010 12:10 AM
    I received my Texas All-lines License about a mouth ago, and looking for some advise. I am trying to get my foot in the door before the storm season is over. I'm willing to travel on my own expense and work for free in return receiving hands on training that was not thought in the classroom. I have 5 years of experience as a supervisor/carpenter for a general contractor working in the residential and commercial fields. I learn fast and ask questions.  I will not waste your time.  I look forward to hearing from anyone who can point me in the right direction. If you are whiling to mentor please email me.  Thank you for reading this.
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    Tim_Johnson
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    05/12/2010 8:12 AM
    gaustin,

    I had to read your post twice in an attempt to understand what it is you are asking for. Good luck
    Tim Johnson
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    05/12/2010 9:00 AM
    Posted By Tim Johnson on 12 May 2010 08:12 AM
    gaustin,

    I had to read your post twice in an attempt to understand what it is you are asking for. Good luck
    Let me see if I can help Tim......"Now that a huge storm has hit, and adjusters have been called, can I tag along with you and hopefully meet your contacts, ask you questions, take up some of your time training me. Time which is already in short supply since too many claims have already been assigned, and impatient policy holders are already calling wondering why they were not first to be inspected."
     
    Gaustin, I do wish you luck, but please be aware of what you are asking. Try finding a daily adjuster who is handling 2-3 a day,rather than someone who started the day 150 claims behind, buy them lunch, bring coffee. Then you'll be ready to be the adjuster when the storm hits.
     
    Try cagworld.com. Find a local vendor. Good luck
     
    JWG
    I know the voices aren't real, but sometimes they're right!
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    stormcrow
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    05/12/2010 9:31 AM
    Even wiser, take Ray Hall up on one of his offers. Many of the old f**t adjusters even have a few tricks to teach.
    I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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    Joe60
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    05/12/2010 9:38 AM
    CatX,
      I agree with you on one important point. I needed to renew my license after four years, and needed some CE hours. I have been adjusting mostly auto claims the last couple of years, and decided to concentrate 30 CE hours ( a lot more than I needed) on the homeowners contracts and flood policies. I chose an on-line vender, that all of us receive reminder cards from every two years. My pre-licensing class was nine weeks of 8 hour Saturdays, with asigned homework, and I thought I knew these contracts very well. I could very well have "mind shuts down" after a few minutes, but I took a lot more time than neccessary to truly understand these policies, and exceptions to coverages, now when I had the time. It is extremely important to be able to measure a floor, replace carpeting and enter these into Xactimate, but you will stay out of trouble if you can identify when coverage for these losses are available, per the insured's policy.
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