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Last Post 05/14/2010 12:27 PM by  stormcrow
Any Hands on Training?
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Ray Hall
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05/12/2010 10:06 AM
Many people with a license want to adjust losses, but have no practice. You can practice by your self, just like all people who wanted to play a musical instrument. I have never seen so many lazy people. If you do not know where to start..... please do not come to my house.
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gaustin
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05/12/2010 1:12 PM
Thank you for responding to my post.
 
I would like to find a daily adjuster or a someone who is working wind and hail storms.
 
Thank you again for taking the time to help.
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gaustin
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05/12/2010 9:14 PM
I like how straight forward you guys are being. I'm listening , and I appreciate it. The Cat Adjuster that thought my class give very little advise as to how to get the experience the companies are looking for. I think that they just want a full class that can pass the test at the end of the week. I paid for the class and was expecting to have walked a roof, do a brittle test, measure out a square and look for damage,and write an estimates from start to finish (a couple of times). For the most part we just set around, and I got more info from the other adjusters that were getting the Texas license under their belt. I have called them today to try to do a tag alone, and just waiting for them to be called out.
 
So thanks for all the advise.
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RandyC
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05/13/2010 11:01 AM
A few years ago, I had the three day license. I had three weeks of Vale training, three weeks of Pacesetter Tech training, Claimsmentor training, class after class of vendor training, decades of industrial, commercial, and residential construction estimating, lightning and fire claim experience as an electrician, art claim appraisal experience as an art dealer, but no claim experience as an adjuster.

I read every word of every post available in two sets of archives on Caddo. Sometimes they seemed to contradict each other, so I read them over and over. I read policy and compared what people wrote to what the policy said. I read case law. I drew diagrams of trees on structure and on yards until I could explain trees to a five year old. I practiced XM8 until I could draw turrets, round roofs, round rooms, in ground swimming pools in 3-D and a thousand macros. I even drew spiral staircases and A frame houses. I went to XM8 classes, sat in the back of the room and helped experienced adjusters who didn't know XM8 learn it.

I'd ask hard questions and if they were ignored, I'd state what I thought was right in the hope that it would draw out a correction. It was the reverse Socratic method, but wise old adjusters like Ray Hall would set me straight...and I'd move on to the next question. I got to do a few ride alongs, but that's not so easy for a working adjuster to do as wannabe adjusters might think!

I wore the roof of my house out with inspections, and formed networks with other adjusters who wanted to learn as bad as I did. We discussed scenarios of every kind until our eyes were red with too much coffee and the wildest claims the imagination could create. When we were lucky to have adjusters with experience come to our meetings, we'd pick at them until their brain ached from telling the storm stories. As wild as our imaginations were, the truth was often wilder than the imagined.

After all this, I still had no experience. Too much time went by. Finally the call came. Everyone of us who networked together like this has now had the chance to work claims. A few that worked less hard to prepare, turned their claims back in unclosed, but most of us are now adjusters. We still don't work as often as we'd like.

If you are new to this business, we are the competition. You have to equal what we have done, or know somebody really important, if you want to get claims before we do. A few three day adjusters will stumble upon a job, and in two weeks someone will win American Idol! Miracles happen, but not very often.






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05/13/2010 12:04 PM
Posted By RandyC on 13 May 2010 11:01 AM

...I wore the roof of my house out with inspections, and formed networks with other adjusters who wanted to learn as bad as I did. We discussed scenarios of every kind until our eyes were red with too much coffee and the wildest claims the imagination could create. When we were lucky to have adjusters with experience come to our meetings, we'd pick at them until their brain ached from telling the storm stories. As wild as our imaginations were, the truth was often wilder than the imagined.....






Great post Randy. And great idea. Everyone who sets through these classes, gets part but not all of the info provided. If 10 students get together, walk each others roof, diagram each others rooms/house, compare what they got from the classes, I'm sure it would be a great help. Also, call some of the local franchise type vendors, like Frontier Adjusters. As I said, they are handling a few claims a day. Maybe they will let you ride along on a slow day.
 
JWG
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Ray Hall
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05/13/2010 1:30 PM
Folks I met Randy Cox on this site. I knew Randy would become a very good adjuster. I had two liability claims in Dallas several years ago and ask Randy if he wanted to ride along with me. When the day was over I remember sitting with Randy having a glass of tea, and I probably said something like Randy you have the best grasp of tort law and law of negligence as any person I have met in years. Randy Cox is the type person that I will always help, he soaks up knowlege and experience and digs it out of books. He should be an EXCELLANT COMMERCIAL ADJUSTER, he  is now in my mind, folks this man has been a master electrician for more than 40 years.
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CatAdjusterX
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05/13/2010 4:24 PM

Posted By RandyC on 13 May 2010 11:01 AM
A few years ago, I had the three day license. I had three weeks of Vale training, three weeks of Pacesetter Tech training, Claimsmentor training, class after class of vendor training, decades of industrial, commercial, and residential construction estimating, lightning and fire claim experience as an electrician, art claim appraisal experience as an art dealer, but no claim experience as an adjuster.

I read every word of every post available in two sets of archives on Caddo. Sometimes they seemed to contradict each other, so I read them over and over. I read policy and compared what people wrote to what the policy said. I read case law. I drew diagrams of trees on structure and on yards until I could explain trees to a five year old. I practiced XM8 until I could draw turrets, round roofs, round rooms, in ground swimming pools in 3-D and a thousand macros. I even drew spiral staircases and A frame houses. I went to XM8 classes, sat in the back of the room and helped experienced adjusters who didn't know XM8 learn it.

I'd ask hard questions and if they were ignored, I'd state what I thought was right in the hope that it would draw out a correction. It was the reverse Socratic method, but wise old adjusters like Ray Hall would set me straight...and I'd move on to the next question. I got to do a few ride alongs, but that's not so easy for a working adjuster to do as wannabe adjusters might think!

I wore the roof of my house out with inspections, and formed networks with other adjusters who wanted to learn as bad as I did. We discussed scenarios of every kind until our eyes were red with too much coffee and the wildest claims the imagination could create. When we were lucky to have adjusters with experience come to our meetings, we'd pick at them until their brain ached from telling the storm stories. As wild as our imaginations were, the truth was often wilder than the imagined.

After all this, I still had no experience. Too much time went by. Finally the call came. Everyone of us who networked together like this has now had the chance to work claims. A few that worked less hard to prepare, turned their claims back in unclosed, but most of us are now adjusters. We still don't work as often as we'd like.

If you are new to this business, we are the competition. You have to equal what we have done, or know somebody really important, if you want to get claims before we do. A few three day adjusters will stumble upon a job, and in two weeks someone will win American Idol! Miracles happen, but not very often.

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Awe c'mon guys, I just spent 399.00 and got my license, I don't want to do all that stuff, just show me where you work so I can make the big bucks too before the Gravy Train you guys must be on to make so much "easy" money ends.

My teacher said I would make 1200 day, it's been a month and what no work ?




"A good leader leads..... ..... but a great leader is followed !!" CatAdjusterX@gmail.com
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CatAdjusterX
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05/13/2010 4:25 PM
Bravo to you Randy Cox !!
"A good leader leads..... ..... but a great leader is followed !!" CatAdjusterX@gmail.com
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ChuckDeaton
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05/13/2010 5:23 PM
Damn! I have been an adjuster for 40 years and now I want to be a master electrician, will somebody out there let me ride with them, a master electrician I mean.
"Prattling on and on about being an ass with experience doesn't make someone experienced. It just makes you an ass." Rod Buvens, Pilot grunt
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claims_ray
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05/13/2010 9:01 PM
I want to be a baiter can someone recommend a master in this field?
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Jgoodman
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05/14/2010 11:36 AM
For one summer back in high school, I worked as a mate on a fishing boat that charged by the person, a head boat, as they are known in the charter fishing industry.  There  were three of us mates, bait boys as we were called, and by the end of the summer I was the bait boy supervisor.  At seventeen, I had become the master baiter on the head boat.
 
It's all been downhill since.
 
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Ol' Ghost
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05/14/2010 12:02 PM
So, my perfectly good and tasteful post is deleted yet the double entendre crudeness of our claims-ray and jgoodman remain. Here I was making a relevant yet pithy observation on the state of our bidnez, in complete agreement with our kindly Mr Deaton when, BAROOSH! Down the drain it goes.

Oh! The inequities and shame of it all!

Ol' Ghost
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stormcrow
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05/14/2010 12:27 PM
If you become a master baiter also then you will be able to post what you want (within limits).
I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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