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Last Post 01/27/2008 11:08 PM by  buraley
Dell Computers or What was I Thinking
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01/18/2008 11:23 PM

    During Hurricane Katrina, my old faithful computer up and died.  My wife and I are both adjusters and we have been working claims jointly for over fifty years.  I decided to purchase two brand new Dell computers thinking and stupidly believing the advertising that they would make my life easier.  Almost two years later and God only knows the number of calls to India for tech support, I would have been better off with my old dead computer.

    I've called Dell asking that they honor the contract, to which they reply that I must honor my end, by allowing tech support to rummage through my computer via the Internet to try and figure out the problem before they will honor their end......yea right.  I've done everything they have asked and still no sign of hope.  Over the past two years, they have replaced my hard drive, re-installed my OS (Windows XP) three times, each time costing me endless days of re-installing my software, some of which I have had to re-purchase the licenses, since I've already used up the allotted installation due to Dell, all of which has been at my own expense and loss of time, work and now I will lose a client.  Dell's answer has simply been well we're trying to figure this out and you need to honor your end of the contract.  When I initially purchased my computer, I requested 4GB's of RAM, only to discover that they failed to provide what I purchased.

    Today, after my fuse, which is already short because of them, I blew up after the supervising tech from India, decided to again work on my system and now I am unable to gain access to any of my programs installed on my hard drive.  He now decides that he needs to escalate to a higher power, but the kicker is that I have no way of contacting them, they will after reading the excerpts of the past two years decide if I am worthy of fixing the problem.

    I discovered that the University of New Mexico after having Dell computers found that they BS they got from the rep, was exactly that, BS.  They pulled everyone from the campus and have gone to a reliable computer manufacturer.

    Do yourself a favor and NEVER EVER purchase any Dell products, as the tech support is of such high caliber, that you would be better off letting Mrs. Mcgillicutty's kindergarten class repair your system

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    Tom Toll
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    01/19/2008 12:35 AM

    I have a daughter that experienced the same thing. Dell sucks and sucks bad. Of course, our HP's problems have to go to India for tech support, just an unfortunate part of technology. We don't have bright enough people here in the USA, we have to send those jobs to India, and of course they speak such wonderful english.

    I will stick with HP, even though I get disgusted having to talk to and Indian tech, our puters almost never fail us.

    Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
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    01/19/2008 8:42 AM
    I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with Dell. I like them, currently the CADO site is on a Dell Server and I manage the site from a Dell Inspiron E1705. I have only had one problem and that was with the screen but a repairman was at my house in two days with a new screen.
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    sbeau4014
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    01/19/2008 9:44 AM
    Sorry to hear about the problems with your computers. I've had Dell computers since 1999 (1 desktop and 2 lappers) and they are all still working fine. I had a mother board go out on one, which they came to my motorhome to replace (I always buy the extended on site warranty/service contract), and I used my back-up lapper for the time the main one was down for a couple days total. I was lucky to have no loss of data or programs. I have had two crashes on computers over the years I've had them due to viruses or things I caused, and I know what a real pain it is on re-entering data and programs. I back up pretty religiously now so hopefully if I ever have to re-enter my stuff it will be a lot easier.
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    01/19/2008 2:03 PM

    Tom,

    I must disagree with your comment that there are not enough qualified people in the U.S. to take care of these computer problems. There are plenty of them here. The only problem is that India pays about 25-35% to there people as compared to qualified folks here. Pay along with usually no benifits make for a very cheap labor pool. This is true at companies where they have RIF'ed long time IT staff (U.S.Citizens) and replace with contract labor from India right there on the company campus. No high pay and no benefits are paid to these contract people.

    I had read somewhere that Dell had gotten so much flack about outsourcing to India and the inability to communicate with customers that there were in the process of doing away with the India call centers. Guess that went by the wayside with sales down. My wife has a problem with one of our HP printers recently. She called the coporate number and asked that she please be connected to someone in the U.S. as the language barrier was a major problem. She was immediately connected to someone in the U.S.. She has also read that companies have to have someone available in the U. S. to help you if you request this. Not to sure about this. We use Gateway and while we have had some problems, they have been resolved with folks here in the U.S. We will use them again when these things wear out.

    This is the same scenario with the clothing, auto, steel, or about any industry. As other countries emerge from being third world to 2nd or even 1st tier world, as long as their costs are lower than the U.S. the jobs will be there and not here. Even Mexico is beginning to see the effects of other countries taking away jobs from them and they are worried about the good paying jobs leaving there country for cheaper labor. It is said over and over that the face of business is now global and many functions can be done from anywhere. Granted anywhere is ok as long as the service is meeting the needs of the customer without the constant fights that are now so common with overseas outsourcing. If jobs are to stay here in the U.S. there will be some major shake ups continuing in benefits and pay to keep competitive. With the cost of education rising faster than anything except medical costs, I feel sorry for those who are just getting out of school with 50-100k loans to repay and the chance of high paying jobs are slim.

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    01/19/2008 11:18 PM

    Our company runs on Dell NB, DT and servers and at this point I see no reason to expect better service from others. We have had to replace the notebook hard drives after about three years but we all know they do not last forever. I do think like with cars sometimes bad technology gets released.

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    01/19/2008 11:37 PM

    Rocke, I was making a cynical remark about americans qualifications, I did bit mean that we are not able to handle those problems. We are more qualified to handle problems with computers, printers, etc., than those in India. I too have an HP printer problem and had to deal with those people for several hours. We asked for an American rep. and one pretended to be one, with broken english. What a laugh. Outsourcing can only be stopped when we stop allowing it to happen. Complaints to the companies who are doing it, refusing to speak to an India rep. and insisting on an American rep, persistance, persistance, persistance.

    As a society will we do that, probably not. We seem to like cheap items from other countries. I would pay 10 to 20% more for an Made in America product and Janice and I shop for made in USA products as much as we can find. We at one time were to worlds leaders in manufacturing and design. Now we are giving our secrets to other countries so they can capatilize on them. Corporate America could care less about you, me, or anyone else. Bottom line profit is all they are after.

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    01/20/2008 5:45 PM
    Millions if not billions of Dell computers have been sold without a single problem. I would be interested in reading some specifics on the problems you are having with your computer.
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    01/20/2008 7:52 PM
    There is a huge difference between the service an individual that buys their laptop at the mall gets, and the service that the business that has 10-10,000 computers or servers gets. I started with a Dell at Farmers and I was a huge Dell fan until I bought one for my daughter. I also bought the service plan. Her hard drive went out, and a nice middle eastern woman explained in very broken english, that they would send me a hard drive and I could install it myself. So much for on site service! Luckily my daughter had a friend that worked at Dell in Austin, and he got it fixed. I know at Farmers, if we had a problem, we made a call and 1-2 days later, we had a repair or replacement. As I said a huge difference.

    So when I needed a laptop, I bought a Gateway. Not a better computer, but have had pretty good service from Best Buy Geek Squad.

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    01/20/2008 7:58 PM

    Dan, you can get bad in anything you buy, as most are not made here in the USA, but in foreign countries. Their pride, in my opinion, is not as high as our is, or should I say was. Dell is as good as any of them. My daughter just got hooked up with a bad one. Problem is, Dell, even with an extended warranty, just does not seem to care. I feel HP is the same way. We have lost personalization in our society, everything is not outsourced and automated. I hate that we don't have the personal touch anymore. Unfortunately, that is where adjusting is headed.

    Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
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    okclarryd
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    01/21/2008 7:17 PM


    Not knocking Dell, but ....................

    Just before Christmas, I went into a Dell outlet store here in OKC, as there were some ads and some really good deals.

    The outlet store for Dell, on North May, in Oklahoma City, did not have a Dell in the store. They had all been returned and the store had not taken the sign down.

    The store manager said they had a 80% return rate and tried to sell me a HP at his cost. He produced the invoice for the computer and said that would be my price.

    I already have 2 HP's that have stood the test of time and me and I bought the one I thought I needed.

    Other than that, I know nothing about Dell.
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    01/22/2008 11:28 AM

     

    Chart from 2006 PC World Survey

     

    Company

     
    Pct of Cust. Complaints
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    58%
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    8%
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    3%
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    ENOUGH SAID

     
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    Shadow14US
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    01/23/2008 6:56 PM

    My problems are so many, it began with the HD crashing and my struggle to get India willing to send me a new one.  I couldn't get it through their thick heads that my computer crashed.  He wanted me to have him connect via the Internet into my system, after repeatedly asking for his supervisor, he finally got a clue.  They sent the HD with a tech, who told me that all he did all day long was fix problems with dell's, that they kept him busy everyday.

    After that, the OS went on a trip to some far off place, not once, but twice.  each time, I had to have it re-installed along with every program on my computer.  Again, the same tech just chuckled when he made his visit.

    This time, I was stupid enough to allow the Slurpee salesman to connect with my system, only this time, he screwed it up so bad, that none of my programs will work.  Contacted tech support and told them that they needed to escalate to a high power, which they told me couldn't be done, as they were the higher power.  Advised that if they wanted to play that game, that they would be making a visit to the local court system here in New Mexico and that they wouldn't be happy.  Next thing I know, I have a guy from Corporate talking with me wanting to know everything I have had wrong with my system and when he learned of the recent fiasco, he said that I would have a new computer within the week.  Two days later, it arrived.  Now all I have to do is spend the next few days re-installing all of my software and then transferring any data to the new HD.  I'm talking a brand new box with a few upgrades.  This doesn't mean I'm a converted Dell believer, but at least for the time being, I will be able to get my work done and keep my clients happy, which is what it is all about.

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    01/23/2008 7:26 PM
    Dan that is good that Dell sent you a new computer.
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    01/23/2008 8:38 PM
    I have a DELL desktop that I purchased four years ago and have been using without problem except for the monitor going out after 3 months, and DELL sent me a new monitor. I replaced an HP Pavilon 7850 with the DELL and I gave the HP to my daughter and it is still being used everyday by her. I also have an HP Pavillion dv4000 that I have not had a problem with. I had an HP scanner and after trying to get the problem corrected with the tech in India I purchased an Epson perfection 2400 PHOTO that has been trouble free. The problen with HP's tech is what led me to purchasie the DELL. The rudest treatment I have ever receive is when I had a problem with my Adobe Acrobat softwere with the their tech that was somewhere in North America.

    I have some corrupted files on my DELL and will have to clean off the hard drive and reinstall my software in the near future. I will probably use the HP Pavillion dv4000 until it has corrupted files. If I had to replace the DELL I would most likely purchase another HP.
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    01/27/2008 11:08 PM
    well, Dell used to be the almost the cheapest working junk one could afford. The only reason people were buying them is cause they were the lowerst priced with some kind of reputable name. Nowere near the best perfomance, just worked kinda. Reason? cheap components. They got their market share alright... guess it explains the highest # of complains :) Every company I've worked for gave me a Dell notebook which would have a hard drive crash later on. of course i can't afford the time to mail it in, I'd just fix it. After I replaced the drives with seagate (instead of IBM and WD junk they put in) , replaced their burning out screens, faulty ram sticks they ran ok :) thank god they use japanese optical drives.

    There is one good thing about Dell, there are so many of htem out htere braking down - cheap to by spare parts :) Nowdays I can't say, my upgraded dell is over 2yrs old .. and everybody I know is smart enough to stay away from them.

    HPs .. I haven't had much luck. The one I bought just died 2 weeks later, I just asked for my money back. It was a piece of junk with a nice screen.

    I looked around for a nice lappy for work, and really couldn't find anything under $1500 worthy. For us time is money - and the lappy's gotta have the juice to perform and then some :)

    For solid, well designed machines with quality guts I'd look into ASUS and TOSHIBA. Priced right, build for the road warriers (or kids) they hold their ground. Only problem with TOSHIBA's .. they don't put high performance graphics or Hi-Res screens. Not practical for adjusting.
    IBM/Lenovo quality has gone south in the couple of yrs ... Sony is too proprietary and too overprices to touch (always have to mail their junk in to get fixed). Fujitsu is ok, but not if you're on the road all the time, it just starts falling apart (plastics are very bad quality).

    By the way, if anyone is thinking bout an affordable notebook for work:
    http://www.catadjuster.org/Forums/t...fault.aspx
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