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Last Post 02/22/2011 1:38 PM by  Ggelatt
Citizens Face To Face
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Ray Hall
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05/20/2008 1:18 PM

The requirements of Citizens are not unreasonable, but I just do not think 45 or 46 vendors on the list  could make the first paycheck within about 3 weeks after the first loss is turned in. I would  guess only about 10 to 15% have the capitol to make the first payroll on time.

Why dont the blood sucking vendors ask Citizens for a $2,000 advance paid to each adjuster who shows up ON TIME (as required) as an advance on the x-mate boot up and living expense until the first pay check. In the good old USA this is known as "good faith" and "supply and demand in times of great need" hmmm....why dont all you hungary fools who are forced to use xactimate ask for what is right ??? xactimate profiles are a tool for the carrier and should be paid by the carrier. stop getting pushed around, ask or you will never receive.

The motto of 2008; No way unless 2K today. Send this to ever hungary fool you know.

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tonyd46
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05/20/2008 3:44 PM
For what it's worth i have spoken to numerous IA firms and told them the same thing. I do not like working for a company that has the ability to change my estimate without my permission and as far as I'm concerned citizens is the last resort to work for. I know to many adjusters that still haven't been paid for the storms they worked in 04-05 so why would i want to tie up my time with a company that is not even close with their fee schedule and does not have the proper people in place that know what they are doing. Wait and see this should be funny when a storm hits and all the seasoned adjusters are working for anyone else but citizens maybe then they will open their eyes and see the real deal. Again this is just my opinion but they are a company of last resort to work for and I intend to keep it that way. as for their face to face I am attending a free class in houston to get that special training they feel we need, what a joke as we all know that when a major storm hits they will take any warm body they can get. I agree with Ray Pay me $2000.00 when I show up on time and the first time a payroll is not met that's thelast file I handle for them period.But even this is far fetched as there are to many other carriers out there that have work. In floridaI personally handled over 450 claims and not one was a citizens file.There is work out there beyond what we areled to believe by the great oracals n citizen land.
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irvingsewell
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05/20/2008 7:57 PM
If the class only takes one day it could be conducted on check in? Usually it takes a few days to get everybody up and running anyways. Why make 2000 adjusters show up for classes and only call out 500 on the front end till you know what kind of volume you have. What a waste. Oooh and by the way you havent been deployed by us for more than 2 years. Maybe a little incentive please. I really want to attend if its neccessary however I could spend that money at the tables and maybe come out ahead. This is quite a gamble to find out another year goes bust. Oops they have paychecks coming in currently. I do too, however to keep mine I cant run off everytime someone wants me to take a class.
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R_Smith
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05/21/2008 3:39 PM
Three firms are advertising Citizens training on CADO for free. No where in their ads do they mention you are committing to working for that firm if you attend one of their sessions. Call me paranoid, but I believe the 46 vendors for Citizens committed 6500+ adjusters for the upcoming season, and are now trying to find the warm bodies they need to comply. I suspect each vendor will be required to provide a list of unique names to Citizens to show they have the resources promised. I remember doing this for three years at my prior job.

It will be interesting to see how many adjusters claim to be dedicated to Citizens for this season. Anyone interested in starting a pool?
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Ray Hall
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05/21/2008 4:42 PM

The vendors who are on the Texas TWIA list have a list of committed adjusters who work for each vendor and they are paid several hundred a year to show up at the annual meeting. They must convince the vendor they will show when called or they will not be on the list. I never made the commitment as I wanted to shop for the highest $ potential. Now has Citizens thought about this ? I always thought all contracts had to have consideration paid and I know a bunch of us have received a $1.00 in January each year from the largest cat. vendor to keep us on the temp.employee status.

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Tom Toll
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05/21/2008 8:28 PM

I am sure that the most of you carry a strong sense of common sense. If Citizens were to start running out of claims money, you should know that the adjuster fee bill will be the first cut in the line. Policyholder payment is priority, per Citizens rules and payment for claim adjusters will be last, in other words, they run out of dough, and your out in the snow. Of course your not going to have that kind of investment anyway, just several thousands of dollars for Hotel, Food, Estimating system(s), transportation you won't be reimbursed for and then the small investiment in fuel. Better keep your pay in a hidden belt.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
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Florida Boy
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05/22/2008 8:40 AM

Posted By R .D. Hood on 05/20/2008 10:43 AM
Good Luck Les,

Why would ANYONE , in the state of our economy, spend time, fuel, hotel, meal costs to be subjected to a day of disadvantageous and unappreciated candor? Unless of course it was in your backyard and you had intentions of working for possibly nothing.

Be very interested in how many show up, and how many had more than 3-5 years of experience, IF they ask that question, which is seriously doubtful, Bonne Chance, mon ami.

Seems I missed the FTF as it was yesterday. I was told there were very few people there and fewer with any documented experience.

46 vendors...Big Red does not have 46 vendors and I doubt the 46 vendors have a fully qualified roster. I also doubt that the 46 vendors can keep their roster of 'fully qualified' adjusters busy.

 

 

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WILLIS
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05/23/2008 1:51 PM
Everyone might benefit from being a bit more positive. I have worked Citizens for years and hope to add a few more. Everyone has rules it is just life Citizens has less rules than NFIP Their schedule looks good to me especially now in lean times I have been doing this for 34 years. It is called adjusting If you do the file correct and follow their rules losses flow easily in and out. Citizens has cut back on the number of qualified vendors wonder why, if you were inside their office and saw some of the files they got you might feel different. Citizens is the largest writer in Florida. Eventually Mother Nature will return and one good Cat 2 - 3 is all any of us need to stay busy for a year or so. No I do not like Xactimate but let carriers go through one good storm with all that upload, download crap or worse no internet or try and call Xact help then let is crash a few times and that too will change. I worked a ton of condos and residences from Charley, Jeane, Frances, to Katrina, Wilma etc and other than a minor tweak or two they went great. I am with the same vendor since the start and he has a free seminar so I will be there It is required or no work
and there will likely be a site class once the stom hits. Peeing in cup might be required so be careful what you use.
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tonyd46
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05/30/2008 9:55 AM

FYI,

I just got done with a citizens  face to face and to me it was adjusting 101. It was a waste of time and i am so glad that it was free. I cannot believe the steps we will have to go thru to send a file. It also does not make sence why we have to use xactimate 25.1 the only thing they will need is the estimate that we pull out of the program and send in pdf format. For what their fee schedule is it is not worth the time. What they expect is only good if the files are done on a T&E basis. Again this is just my opinion and they are a choice of last resort. I for one will work for anyone else first.

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Ggelatt
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02/22/2011 1:38 PM

Lenny,

Do you know anyone that did'nt get paid by NADO?

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