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John PostavaUser is Offline
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04/14/2008 10:41 AM  

Xactware and ServiceMaster have teamed up to offer insurance carriers a contents estimating service.  Now the carriers are using restoration contractors to handle contents claims.  Pretty soon there will be nothing for property adjusters to do except review and pay contractor invoices.  Seems to me the ServiceMaster estimator is practicing adjusting if he starts valuing inventories and settling claims with insureds and would need a license in most states to be able to do so.  It must be the carriers will use inside adjusters to manage these claims (paper pushers with little or no adjusting expericence).

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04/14/2008 12:14 PM  

John you are now beginning to sound like an old sore head adjuster (Trader) that says insurance carriers do not care what they pay on losses as its all part of the rate structure; but the adjusting expense is not.

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04/14/2008 12:27 PM  
Ray,
Me an old sore head - no way. I just dislike seeing other entities doing what adjusters are supposed to be doing. You can bet Xact/ServiceMaster/ISO will not be giving away this service for free and every dollar they make from it takes it out of the hands of independent and cat adjusters (and their families).

I have been fortunate enough to have found property adjusting with many good times had and have made hundreds of friendships over the years. I've met honest policyholders and not-so-honest ones (which are in the great minority I am glad to say) and now can spot one a mile away. Adjusting gives one the opportunity to really meet folks from all walks of lives and professions. I just don't want to see the independent adjusting profession go the way of the 8-track tape player manufacturer.

I would like to see more young blood in our profession but if trends continue, the young guys (and gals) won't have the same opportunity as we did 20 years ago.
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04/14/2008 5:17 PM  

I just heard something last week which warmed the cockles of my heart.

I had assigned three claims to an independent.  He called me to discuss coverage before writing up the claims.  I told him to make sure each building was properly separated with the correct O and P and tax included in each building and the contents written separately rather than lumped together.  I went on to tell him that it was a difficult process in Xactimate, but I would walk him through it if he wanted.

He surprised me by saying that he could do the extimate in Xactimate if I wanted him to, but that his company had chosen to use Simsol and he had just installed it.  I went on to congratulate him for hooking up with a wise company.  And I told him to please go ahead and try Simsol because the separations I was asking him to make could be done so much easier in Simsol.  That was Friday afternoon.  All three of the estimates he was writing up were in my inbox when I walked in on Monday morning. 

I'm so used to adjusters telling me that their companies make them use Xactimate, that it took me by complete surprise to find a company encouraging their adjusters to use another product.  My policy here at the property department at ICW is to look at how good the adjuster using the product is rather than what product they're using.


Steve Ebner

"With great power comes great responsibility." (Stanley Lieber, Amazing Fantasy # 15 August 1962)
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04/15/2008 2:44 AM  

In my opinion, Service Master will only be offering the Adjusting Firm a transitional step in pulling the contents loss adjustment from the adjuster.  Once they see how the kid at Service Master is knocking out those contents lists, the light bulb will come on.  The Adjusting Firm owner will think, heck I can pay my niece $10/hr to surf ebay and do Contents Loss for me........

It may appear as though I posted this at 2 am and have nothing better to do than surf CADO till the wee hours of the morning....but actually I'm sitting in the office in Northern Iraq and its only 10 am....ha. 

Logged onto Webce.com and catching up on CE hours.  Hoping to come home soon!

 

Scottie

Les LammersUser is Offline

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04/15/2008 8:55 AM  

Posted By John Postava on 04/14/2008 12:27 PM
Ray,
Me an old sore head - no way. I just dislike seeing other entities doing what adjusters are supposed to be doing. You can bet Xact/ServiceMaster/ISO will not be giving away this service for free and every dollar they make from it takes it out of the hands of independent and cat adjusters (and their families).

I have been fortunate enough to have found property adjusting with many good times had and have made hundreds of friendships over the years. (1) I've met honest policyholders and not-so-honest ones (which are in the great minority I am glad to say) and now can spot one a mile away. Adjusting gives one the opportunity to really meet folks from all walks of lives and professions. (2) I just don't want to see the independent adjusting profession go the way of the 8-track tape player manufacturer.

(3)I would like to see more young blood in our profession but if trends continue, the young guys (and gals) won't have the same opportunity as we did 20 years ago.

1) Yes, and that took a lot of field experience.

2) It is heading that way in Florida in property.

3) No, they will not. Cat work is fast becoming quasi staff , a reporting quagmire....without the benefits.

Contents may be just the beginning. Xactware has other programs that interface with estimating that are a data miners dream.

 

 

John PostavaUser is Offline
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04/15/2008 9:23 AM  
Les,

I fully agree with your last statment - X is evolving from a contractor's program into an insurance industry program and the contractors that have relied on X for years now have to bear the weight of X's changeover. It's ironic that the program contractors once used to do battle with adjusters is now the program that tells them what they can charge for their work and how much profit they can make if they control their restoration company's direct overhead and expenses.

If, over the next few years, enough contractors move away from X and use the other estimating products (like mine or Gale's), it may swing the pendulum back to sanity (market driven pricing) and away from percieved price fixing in property claims. If the entire industy uses only one estimating tool (whatever it is), a monopoly is created that hurts adjusters, contractors and policyholders all at the same time. Controled unit cost pricing by its very nature will be on the low side. This causes contractors to have to cut corners, purchase lower grade materials, hire lower waged workers just in order to stay in business. I don't think anyone wants their home repaired in this manner.

In the middle to late 90's when X was really beginning to land carrier after carrier, all I heard from claim managers was "we went with X because all the contractors use it". Contractors need to remember that they have the real power over adjusters because they are the ones who do the work and at the end of the day, have to be with that insured until the work is completed (and make a profit to feed their families). The adjuster writes a check and is gone by the beginning of the restoration process (usually, unless a problem arises and a supplement is called for).

If you are a reputable contractor in your area and do good work, the carrier has to accept your estimate if the insured wants you to do the work and your numbers are reasonable - no matter what estimating platform you use....contractors with clout in their respective areas need to remember this if things are going to change for the better.
Tom TollUser is Offline
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04/15/2008 9:34 AM  

If any of you Xactimate users thinks that company cares about you, you better think again. Their goal, in my opinion, is to cut us out of the adjusting loop and control everything. The only decent entity out there is Simsol. They are people who have and do work in the field and care about the adjusters who work their tails off to support their families.

I want to see how Exactware is going to handle thousands of inventory claims when a large cat hits. There are not that many water suckers out there and they will not be able to handle that many claims. Like John and Ray have said, and now me, how can they work claims without an adjusters license. MSB has finally destroyed DDS and unless their new program can drag them into competetion, they are useless.

I would love to see them handle a claims I have right now. A welding shop that has equipment in it that many people have not even heard of. I was raised on a farm with a father who was an outstanding welder/fabricator and am familiar with all the equipment. Even at that, I have spendt at least 9 hours on the phone to get prices for repairs, replacement and clean up. Will I be paid fairly for the work done on this file, I think not, but it will be done right and the insured will be made as whole again as possible.

This industry is suffering terribly. Rates are high, service is terrible, and adjusters just cannot make a good living at this anymore.


Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
Les LammersUser is Offline

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04/15/2008 10:29 AM  

Posted By John Postava on 04/15/2008 9:23 AM
Les,

I fully agree with your last statment - X is evolving from a contractor's program into an insurance industry program and the contractors that have relied on X for years now have to bear the weight of X's changeover. It's ironic that the program contractors once used to do battle with adjusters is now the program that tells them what they can charge for their work and how much profit they can make if they control their restoration company's direct overhead and expenses.

If, over the next few years, enough contractors move away from X and use the other estimating products (like mine or Gale's), it may swing the pendulum back to sanity (market driven pricing) and away from percieved price fixing in property claims. If the entire industy uses only one estimating tool (whatever it is), a monopoly is created that hurts adjusters, contractors and policyholders all at the same time. Controled unit cost pricing by its very nature will be on the low side. This causes contractors to have to cut corners, purchase lower grade materials, hire lower waged workers just in order to stay in business. I don't think anyone wants their home repaired in this manner.

In the middle to late 90's when X was really beginning to land carrier after carrier, all I heard from claim managers was "we went with X because all the contractors use it". Contractors need to remember that they have the real power over adjusters because they are the ones who do the work and at the end of the day, have to be with that insured until the work is completed (and make a profit to feed their families). The adjuster writes a check and is gone by the beginning of the restoration process (usually, unless a problem arises and a supplement is called for).

If you are a reputable contractor in your area and do good work, the carrier has to accept your estimate if the insured wants you to do the work and your numbers are reasonable - no matter what estimating platform you use....contractors with clout in their respective areas need to remember this if things are going to change for the better.

 


I 'bought' Xact for $3,000 in 1994. Lifetime license, but that changed and the licence is useless as it does not extend to the new version(s) IMHO, it is no longer an adjuster friendly program. However, it now has an underwriting check list and no statement of loss.  :-)  A friend just returned from a vendor seminar. To receive and acknowledge a claim electronically he had to go through 15 windows. This has to be done on every claim. No kidding.

It is my understanding that Xact prices come from submissions/input/surveys from contractors. However, that does not preclude a carrier from creating a price list with different unit costs. A contractor version of Xact is still available. I do like Xact for large losses but it is overkill for the average claim.

P.S. I worked a hail claim on your sister in laws's home during the great Orlando hail storm of 1992 when I was staff for Farm Bureau. My, thing have changed since then.

Les LammersUser is Offline

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04/15/2008 10:36 AM  

This industry is suffering terribly. Rates are high, service is terrible, and adjusters just cannot make a good living at this anymore.

 

Tom,

 

You forgot to mention record profits.

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