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R .D. Hood Founding Member
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 | | 13 Mar 2007 10:38 PM |
| The “Killer” amongst us. There are many ways to approach the demise of the catastrophe adjuster. 1) The fatal auto accident. 2) The falling off the roof. 3) The stroke 4) The heart attack Many of the above are related to the difficult and lengthily work hours we endure to provide our services to those that require them, as well as to provide for our families. Many auto accidents occur because we are tired, not paying attention, involved in a cell phone call, or some other distraction which may or may not be the proximate cause of the accident, but could be contributory thereto. Falling off a roof is usually caused by being distracted and not paying attention to the situation at hand. Many have fallen, a few have survived, and more than a few have not, or have incurred injuries which limit their future. (Several close friends are among the missing). The stroke’s and heart attack’s may be a predisposed condition which exists in some, and then they may be brought on by the lack of having a healthy diet and or proper exercise, or whatever other cause a physician or physiologist may proffer. Most of us have been associated with the term “Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome”, which for the most part has been loosely associated with our undaunted military personnel, who return to the States after enduring some form of extremely difficult conditions. (In this instance you would have had to “been there&rdquo Many of these returning “hero’s, and I use the term as all inclusive, (because in my humble opinion they all are) have ventured into the various wildernesses of our society, never to return. Some have strayed off into the pinelands of New Jersey, or the Rocky Mountains of Colorado or Montana, or the barrens of Wyoming, or the streets of New York, Chicago, Los Angles, Philadelphia or any other place where they can blend into the background of this erstwhile accusatory society. (Especially those from Nam). We now are facing yet another round of returning hero’s from a land of sand and blood and many things which are completely foreign to out perception of good and evil, or society as we understand and accept. It gives pause to each of us, to reflect on the condition and potential reactions of these people. If, in fact, the trauma room Doctor or Nurse, or the Paramedic, or Police Officer or EMT or Fireman can deal with the daily tasks which they face, should we not be able to do the same? Understand this, my friends; we deal with the same identical issues that the above referenced trades deal with. Sometimes it is only one a day, and other times it is 10 per day. Perhaps we do not risk our lives in fighting a fire, using the “jaws of life” to extricate someone from a vehicle, face an individual with a firearm pointed at us, or use all of the medical training we have to save a life, but we do sometimes deal with the stress that is associated with the claimant that has lost everything they ever had. We deal with the stress of having to assure the claimant that we will do all in our power to lessen their personal losses. We can NEVER know how they feel, nor can we even assume that we can know this. We are not the ones that have lost everything, their home, possessions, photographs, mementos, souvenirs, childhood toys and memories. Yet, we do deal with each of these things, in our minds. We do feel their pain, we do think about what has happened to them. We do imagine what we MAY feel like if the same thing occurred in our lives. This is what is called STRESS. The simple word stress is not unkindly, nor is it meant to be, in this proffered venue, a direct cause of the potential killer. The root of this article is for each and every one to become aware of the underlying, untold, and insufferable causes of the duties and actions of this profession. Have you ever come home from a gig and found yourself sleeping 10-12-14 hours a day? Have you ever found yourselves becoming short, argumentative or resentful of your significant other, wife, children, parents or friends? This translates to STRESS. No matter the cause, how long the gig, how difficult the work, we do it because we enjoy it, like to assist where we can, like to return the claimant to their just conditions and simply “do the right thing”. There is a price for what we do, those that hire us, pay for our services, and we do enjoy these benefits. But there is a much higher price we and our families and friends pay. That price is watching us deteriorate before their eyes. Seeing us as we now are, instead of what we were before we were “deployed”. To my old mind there is little difference between WWII, Korea, and Nam, Iraq or any other warfront to which we could have been, or were, deployed to, and what we now do. The object matter is to realize and fully comprehend what we do, why we do it and what the ensuing results may be. We are here to assist people in their time of need, we are here to lessen the trials and tribulations they are facing, and we are here to do all we can to make life more endurable for them. Please remember the objective of this difficult adjusting life. Do all you can to help, be all you can be, and take off the adjuster hat when you get back? It is not easy, by any stretch of the imagination, but it may save you from some very serious personal difficulties with your family, children, friends and acquaintances. In all the years that have been devoted to this profession there has only been one (1) person that I am aware of that had ever addressed this issue, and it was totally ignored. Now having become an erstwhile victim of PTSS, after “Katrina” it is time I “fessed up” Please do not let STRESS become your personal “KILLER” | | | "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new... Albert Einstein" | |
| Lee Norwood
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 | | 13 Mar 2007 11:18 PM |
| Since the '05 storm season, I've had ample opportunity to assess the long-term effects that 7 months on the road have had on my psyche. It's not an altogether pretty picture.
The stresses that so many (adjusters, utility crews, law-enforcement, etc.) experience working the after-effects of a storm, manifest themselves in myriad ways; health effects are but one category, strained relationships with friends and family are another.
For me, one of the most difficult things with which to come to grips is my own performance. I have often regaled folks with anecdotes of the peculiar behaviors of the adjusting personnel with whom I've worked, and those policyholders whom I've attempted to serve. I've posted about the incompetent, the bizarre, the humorous, and the criminal. But what really bothers me are my nagging feelings of self-doubt: Did I truly do everything I could have done to excell? Did I give everyone, claimants and superiors alike, a fair shake? Did my prejudices, self-regard, or inexperience render me less effective as a facilitator, advocate, and role model? I'm absolutely sure that I treated my team manager with disdain, not because he wasn't necessarily doing the best he could under the circumstances, but because my ego demanded of him something that he couldn't give, and that I didn't deserve. Joel, if you're reading this, please accept my heartfelt apology. I have no excuse for making your life any more difficult than it already was.
Extraordinary circumstances often bring out the best and the worst in human beings. I don't feel that I did my best, and it gnaws at me. I certainly don't feel like any kind of "hero".
[Edit: Were I to choose a new title for this thread, it would be: "Catharsis (pardon the pun) and Humility"]
| | | Lee Norwood, aka "CATdawg" | |
| mark garland
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 Posts:64

 | | 14 Mar 2007 12:31 AM |
| I just want to add that I love this thread. I thing this topic is so important to be discussed. This is a thread where for once I am looking forward to keeping my thoughts and comments to myself. There is a time to listen and a time to talk and for me this is a time to listen. Consider me a sponge just waiting to absorb some good ole wisdom. | | | Mark S Garland | |
| Tom Toll Life Member
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 | | 14 Mar 2007 07:00 AM |
| The potential causes of stress are numerous. Your stress may be linked to outside factors such as the state of the world, the environment in which you live or work, or your family. Your stress can also come from your own irresponsible behavior, negative attitudes and feelings, or unrealistic expectations.
Furthermore, the causes of stress are highly individual. What you consider stressful depends on many factors, including your personality, general outlook on life, problem-solving abilities, and social support system. Something that's stressful to you may be neutral or even enjoyable to someone else. For example, your morning commute may make you anxious and tense because you worry that traffic will make you late. Others, however, may find the trip relaxing because they allow more than enough time and enjoy playing music or listening to books while they drive. Stressors can be divided into three broad categories: - Frustrations – Frustrations are obstacles that prevent you from meeting your needs or achieving personal goals. They can be external—such as discrimination, an unsatisfying job, divorce, or the death of a loved one—or internal. Examples of internal frustrations include physical handicaps, the lack of a desired ability or trait, and other real or perceived personal limitations.
- Conflicts – Stressors involving two or more incompatible needs or goals are known as conflicts. For example, a working mother might feel torn over a job offer that would advance her career, but take time away from her family. Sometimes the conflict involves a choice between two desirable options, such as deciding between two acceptance offers from equally appealing colleges. At other times, the decision involves disagreeable alternatives.
- Pressures – Stress can stem from the expectations of others or the demands you place on yourself. You may feel pressure to get good grades in order to please your parents or get into a good school. Or you may feel pressure to excel at work, make a difference in your community, or be the perfect mother.
Whether or not the source of stress causes significant emotional and physical symptoms depends in part on the nature of the stressor itself. Stressors that involve central aspects of your life or that persist for extended periods of time are more likely to result in severe distress and disruption of functioning. Furthermore, the more stressful situations or life changes you're dealing with at one time, the more intense the symptoms of stress.
Stress affects the mind, body, and behavior in many ways. The specific signs and symptoms of stress vary from person to person, but all have the potential to harm your health, emotional well-being, and relationships with others.
I strongly recommend that if you are feeling very stressed during a Cat tour, that you take some time off to do what you enjoy and relaxing. It will make you a better adjuster to be able to think and solve problems that we all face in this business. I also recommend you read Dave's commentary several times. He has put time into that post and it is very true. Stress can kill you, I know, I went through that during Katrina with all the surgical problems I had. Had it not been for my wife, Janice, I am not sure I would have made it.
Ex Post Facto | | | Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. | |
| joseph lombardo jr.
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 | | 14 Mar 2007 12:27 PM |
| Great thread...thank you all for sharing....
Joe L. | | | |
| Tom Toll Life Member
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 | | 14 Mar 2007 09:23 PM |
| I found this in another section of CADO and think it needs to be posted here, where it should have been. Jim the Adjusterman is the author. Unfortunately, he fears not giving out his real name, unlike many of us not ashamed to have our names shown to the public. I guess "Jim" thinks I am one of those ol geezers, which, in fact, I am. I have learned through my 47 years, yes Jim, 47 years, to overlook unqualified and moronic posts, and this, in my opinion is one. Jim is obviously a newby with a passionate dislike of older adjusters. So be it! I do have the common sense to know I cannot climb a roof like I did many years ago, but, I stay busy all year when I want to.
"Cry me a river. Please ...........
This is the biggest bunch of crybaby crap ever and reminence to Daddy crying insanely about how his idiot 60 yr old silver spoon liar has messed up the royal heir to the throne with Jeb.
Try a real job. CA is for the lazy man especially those legends in their own brains who love telling people how long they been adjusting.
This is called Geezeritis and it comes with old age and petrification of younger ones out there doing 3 times as good and fast.
Sometime this disease will cause the brain and head to swell so big they thi nk they are adjuster gods.
There is no cure other than to go get a real job at Wal-Mart as a door greeter. wearing a smiley face.
Beware of any adjuster who claims they have been in the business, said with a Barney Fife braggert look, over 20 yrs and the longer they use such as 30,40 even 50 yrs the worse they are.
Some even use the year they went into adjusting to divert to how great they are.
Try not place more importance on yourself being a CA than the value of the emergency job really is. Try getting up 5 days a week for 52 weeks and working 12 hrs everyday including weekends the way the real workers do it.
Then you can cry a river about what working a real job is like. Otherwise all this other stuff is bogus and a smokescreen and mirrors.
ps please dont erase the truth...thanks."
| | | Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. | |
| Meg Watts
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 Posts:124

 | | 14 Mar 2007 10:46 PM |
| Oh my gosh, I'm speechless, and for those of you who know me, you know that's quite a statement. To "Jim the Adjuster" and those of like mindset, all I have to say is shame on you. Imagine not being able or willing to feel completely honored to be given the gift of the knowledge of those who have been doing a thing longer than you. Imagine not having respect and manners enough to realize what an honor it is to be in the company of such individuals. A sad reflection of the break down in our society today, lack of respect, lack of integrity, lack of honor. I think I'll just stick with the "geezer" group and enjoy the company of those distinguished individuals who know how to treat others, and we'll regale each other with tales of "how we had to walk a mile in the snow to get to school"! | | Do the right thing, ALWAYS ~Meg~
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| Lee Norwood
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 | | 14 Mar 2007 11:13 PM |
| It would appear that "Jim's" post was meant to be insulting, but it so poorly written that I can barely make sense of it. No doubt his claim files are of the same execrable quality.
Before I started working claims, I clocked as many as 4000 hours per annum over a 30-year career as a designer/fabricator. I've also spent over 300,000 miles in the saddle of various bicycles, training, racing and touring since the early 70s, so I have other stressful activities in my past with which to compare the rigors of claims handling. For me, catastrophe work is as tough and stressful as anything else I've ever done for sustained periods of time. There are undoubtedly people that work claims in a "quick-and-dirty" fashion and return home a bit wealthier and not much the worse for wear. Come to think of it, there are many...I've rewritten some, and read many more, of their files!
Is it just my imagination, or has CADO been a dingbat magnet recently??? | | | Lee Norwood, aka "CATdawg" | |
| Rocke Baker
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 | | 14 Mar 2007 11:32 PM |
| PTSS:
Bear with me using the example below.
Prior to getting into adjusting, I was in the Fire Service. Police Officers would come by the station and let off steam or just chill out sometimes after particular types of calls. May be a nasty family disturbance where they got beat on by the family when they were trying to take an absuer to jail. It may have been when they handled a call where a child was injured in an accident or an abusive parent (that is a powder keg of emotions for an officer). They get tough skins as a result but many have always kept their compassion as well. Firemen and EMS see this too and the aftermath of a fire or injuries. Fortunetly, we could talk about it. They learned to talk about it with each other. They learn how to focus on the job at hand and deal with it at that time in a professional way. Later is when they hopefully let the emotions of the job come out in a healthy way.
Being an adjuster for more than a couple of days and having been a storm or two, I have seen that adjusters have a lot of the same stresses as Public Safety. Be it day claims or cat, we are facing what the insured feels is a disaster and their life is in shambles and it very well could be. We are sometimes asked why did it take so long to get out to them, same as the police officer, fire personell or ems when a person calls 911 for assistance. We have to deal with that professionally and with courtesy as best we can. It gets taxing and wears on you, but you have to shrug it off. During Andrew, the company I was with at the time basically took over 1/2 of a hotel. We would gather in the sports bar, grab some pizzaa, shoot some pool, blow off steam and then head back to the room for paperwork (early form of group therapy). After you went to bed, if you were lucky you would get 4-5 hours of sleep and start to work again (this is 3-4 in the morning. You could walk down the halls and hear the adding machines clacking in a lot of the rooms. Now you don't hear that, have to look at the door to see if any light is shining thru the bottom (dang computers).
Some had nightmares of the storm, some of us proved that if we had a brain we would not have gotten into adjusting as we just kept on going without thinking about what was out there. Each person is their on self. No two people are the same. Sadly, as an independent, you do not have the luxury of having a good support group as you do when you are a company cat adjuster and stay at the same hotel with your peers. Take time to evaluate how are you doing. Remember HALT, hungry, angry, lonesome, tired. Are you eating, are you tired, are you lonely, do you get angry? If so slow down, start eating real meals (nutrition is critical). Having crazy blood sugar spikes and drops are dangerous and can be the reason for anger and fatigue. Get some rest (you are no good to anyone if you are in the hospital from exhaustion, a stroke, injuries or heart attack) and talk to someone you can feel comfortable with.
Can PTSS be avoided, not if you are in the Public Safety field, the Armed Forces or adjusting, but we can do things to help reduce the effects.
I hope that no one suffers any injuries, strokes or PTSS this year or any other year. It is up to each one of us to remember that even machines need to be maintained for peak effectiveness. The same goes for us
Rocke Baker | | | |
| Tom Toll Life Member
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 | | 14 Mar 2007 11:36 PM |
| Lee, we now live in a dingbat society, so what else would you expect. We are trillions of dollars in debt, and we are killing off good young American soldiers on a daily basis trying to end a feud in Iraq that has been in existence since time started. We send two border guards to prison because they shot a felon, yet, we allow drug traffickers to get off with a hand slap. We allow China to control our economy, so I guess the less knowledgeable dingbats have to come here to expound their ignorance. But, it is a free society, so we just tolerate it as best we can. Or do we? | | | Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. | |
| Lee Norwood
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 | | 15 Mar 2007 12:01 AM |
| Another thought:
Usually it's the newcomers that get lambasted here. Now it's the seasoned pros. That leaves a small window of experience, equivalent to "journeyman", that is worthy of praise. Go figure. | | | Lee Norwood, aka "CATdawg" | |
| Laine Debrow
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 Posts:29

 | | 15 Mar 2007 05:08 AM |
| This is a great thread. I am a self proclaimed "newbie", and do not have nearly as much experience as most of you. But that being said, I have worked both hurricanes and hail storms, and have felt that there is some sort of PTSS with this job. After working a couple of hurricanes in a row after just starting off, I was ready for a break. I was physically, but more MENTALLY and EMOTIONALLY exhausted. It was only after 4 weeks at home that I got a call from my IA firm asking if I was available to work a hailstorm. Honestly, I didn't think I was, but I had been taught be a trusted mentor to NEVER turn down work. I told them I was ready to go. After I arrived, there was another hailstorm in the same general area, and I wound up gettting about twice as many claims as I had expected. I worked about 3 months on that deplyment when all was said and done, and found myself to be much less exhausted than I had been after the hurricanes I had worked. My wife even noticed the difference, not only when she would come to visit, but after I got home. She assumed I was just getting used to the hours and stress, but I knew better. I remembered back to the first hurricane. She came to visit me one weekend after I had been there about a month. I was so stressed out that we weren't able to enjoy the visit. I couldn't explain it to her at the time, but the truth is, I felt terribly guilty about taking a day, ONE day, to enjoy some time with my wife, because I knew there were people depending on me to help them get there lives back to some semblance of normal. I couldn't handle putting them off. I remember going to pick up some fast food while she was there, and from the time I left the hotel until the time I got back, I was on the phone with policyholders assuring them I would be in touch with them ASAP to set an appointment, or discuss whatever they needed to discuss. On the other hand, for the most part, while working that hail storm, there was almost no stress involved. I had a couple of claims where wind had caused extensive damage, but 99% of my claims were strictly roof claims. The PH's didn't appear to be under any stress themselves, and therefore, I had less stress. I didn't hear any stories from them about how they had to huddle in the bathtub with mattresses on top of them for hours on end, then try to find food and gas and ice and water, so that their children would be somewhat comfortable. They didn't have any stories of loved ones that they still hadn't heard from, and didn't know there whereabouts, or their fates. These people just wanted to know if they needed a new roof. I know we are going through a rough time as IA's, but I will never watch the TV hoping for a hurricane to come. I have a small landscape business to keep me occupied during these slow times, and if I get a call to work a hailstorm or two every year, I can make it. That's not to say I won't work a hurricane...after all, someone has to do it. But I wouldn't wish one on my worst enemy. I went through Katrina myself, and in fact was displaced from my home for 4 months. (My wife and kids were, anyway...I was working) But after seeing some of the things I have seen, and I'm sure every one of you has also, I count myself lucky to have no more damage than I had, and to know all of my family is safe and comfortable. Bottom line, there is definitely a huge amount of stress in this business, and I can certainly see where it could be hazardous to one's health. | | | Old fishermen never die, they just smell that way. | |
| Jim Gary
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 Posts:261

 | | 15 Mar 2007 04:02 PM |
| First allow me this disclaimer. My name is Jim, I am an adjuster, but I am not "Jim the adjuster". That being said, I think we have all exeprienced the guy or gal out there that tells you how good they are and how hard they work. Thankfully they are usually the ones that get sent home once the culling starts. I have found that experience alone does not make a good adjuster. That goes for lack of experience or abundance of experience. Im sure we have all also experienced the folks that see us having extended "vacations", and saying this is not like a "real" job. The fact is not everyone can do this job, leave your home and family for months at a time, deal with people who sometimes have lost everything they own. Thankfully this job does teach you to have thick skin when needed, whether it be for cursing insureds or insulting posts from folks who land on this sight via some google search.
JWG | | | I know the voices aren't real, but sometimes they're right! | |
| Melanie Labrie
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 | | 18 Mar 2007 08:15 AM |
| I for one truly enjoy the wisdom of the "ole geezers" sure the young ones may be quicker at climbing roofs, or the new computer programs; they may be walking a bit faster through the house. But with experience comes knowledge and we all try to learn on every storm. I am sure the adjusters with 20+ experience have forgotten more than I know. If the newbie’s would take the time to try and retain 1% of the information at their disposal on CADO they would be 100 times better of an adjuster. I seen the newbie’s on storms with their extra computers for playing computer games, called them and they where napping at 5:00 getting some rest before they went to the bar, bragging on the number of inspections they did all week only to hear how they were going to have to inspect them again next week because they didn’t do it right the first time. Complaining how the carriers were stupid, their supervisors wanted to much, expected too much. But hey they know it all they took the class they have a license, they learned xactamate or msb. But the time will come when they go on a real storm and they will want more than a pulse to get deployed and there is time to really look at the work they produce and they will not survive. And like they say he who laughs last laughs best. So keep up this thread we love and treasure all advice. Because anyone who can do this job properly will suffer from stress, and needs all the information you all post. So Thanks a Million
Melanie | | | |
| Steve Ebner
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 | | 23 Mar 2007 06:48 PM |
| Seems like Jim the Adjuster has been hanging around the Applebees Parking Lot Guy too long. If I may diverge back to the original post.... This is quite a business. It is always either too much work or too little. I'm not sure which is worse. It is away from home for months or years at a time. And time at home may not end up being the hoped-for quality time. It all depends on if the time at home is spent reconnecting with relationships that have slipped from neglect and distance, or looking for more work, or trying to fix up all the stuff around the house that has fallen into disrepair during your absence. And of course, time at home depends on having a home in the first place. For some of us who work 40 to 45 weeks out of the year, there may really be no such thing as "home" in the sense of what any normal person would define it. I call Pennsylvania home, but I spent three days there from May 2005 to January 2007. I would (and do) call that "homeless in style". In fact the only reason I have been in Pennsylvania since January is that I found an assignment here. In terms of stress, as far as I am concerned, nothing beats a winter storm. When a hurricane hits everyone knows that, though their claim may involve an emergency, they are not the only one in such desparate straits. A hail storm is rarely an emergency. But when it is literally raining in the house and water is running down the walls and dripping from the light fixture due to an ice dam people want you to see it today. When the pipes have frozen and burst and water is spraying all over the house and rising in the basement, they want you to see it today. When the roof collapses under weight of ice and snow people want you to see it today. Last week I sat down to write up claims five days in a row. Five days in a row I got a call from my vendor telling me they had an emergency claim that had to be seen today. The writing of claims is relegated to after 7PM and weekends. I don't tell people I am working through the weekend so there will be some reprieve and an opportunity to get the claims written up before the calls start coming that ask why they do not have their money yet. One of the carriers even started marking their assignments as "Super Rush". It made me laugh. Then I called the insured immediately, dropped everything else, and went out to inspect the loss. Geography and demographics may have something to do with the stress of an assignment, as well. The character of people who live in different areas tends to differ. In some places, people are more litigiuous. In some they are more demanding. In some they tend to complain more. In different parts of the country people expect a different level of service than in others. Someone who has just been working Mississippi may find a surprise when they attempt to work at the same pace in New York City. Even between New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast people had very different expectations of what we would do for them and how quickly their claim should be resolved. Many of the areas prone to winter storms are also areas where a higher level of service is expected, like the urban areas of the northeast. I've been surprised while working this assignment from home to find that much of the Poconos has become bedroom communities for those who work in New York City and commute six hours round trip each day. This brings a different dynamic to the level of claim handling that one might have expected to perform ten years ago. I feel I have gone far afield in this stream of consciousness post. I also feel the pressure to get back to writing these claims up, so I will just end here. And, might I add, I truly feel like a geezer at the moment. | | Steve Ebner
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