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Bob Harvey Gold Member California, Central Coast
 Posts:378


 | | 03/18/2008 10:42 PM |
| Wow. Quite a story.
I did an 18 wheeler accident just last year where a guy was going up the twisty California coast (Big Sur) pulling a 60 foot trailer despite all the signs saying nothing longer than 45'. The people stuck behind him were so bored going slow, and watching his wheels almost go over the cliff on one side, and crossing the double yellows on the other, that they started taking pics with their cell phone cameras.
Along comes Mr. innocent in his Lincoln Town Car the opposite direction, around a hairpin 180 turn, and gets squashed against the side of the cliff like bug. The underside of the trailer was at the height of his windows, busting them out and folding the roof. The people inside lived, provided an interesting statement - including hearing a voice asking them if they could back their car up a bit so he could unstick the trailer from their Lincoln. So the guy unhooks from the Lincoln - and takes off another 25 miles down these twisty roads but at higher speed.
The witnesses keep following and taking pics - all of which become part of the police report when they finally pull him over going 95 mph on the straight sections.
I take this trucker's statement, and in his best convenience store accent (slurpeee or Marlboro?) he asserts the other guy ran into him and it wasn't his fault... with the Highway patrol photos showing him pining the other guy against the mountain and his wheels 4' across the double yellow line. Humans have a strong urge to make themselves right. Windstorm Claim 1992 Hurricane, sliding glass door blows out and is gone. Neighbors talking - someone had a sliding glass door appear against the side of their house that didn't belong to them. Turns out the thing went down the block, turned left, went 1/2 a block, and was chattering against this guy's house during the storm. The glass wasn't broken, and it went back into the opening and is still in use today. | | | |
| Jim Gary Adjuster Mineral Wells, Tx
 Posts:230


 | | 03/19/2008 9:16 AM |
| Posted By Bob Harvey on 03/18/2008 10:42 PM Humans have a strong urge to make themselves right.
Bob, in 12 years as a Farmers agent, I can count on one hand the people who came in and said "I hit them, its my fault, take care of them". There was always some reason why it was the other persons fault, no seat belt, they were going to fast. cracked tail light lense, and my favorite, no explanation, just "They ran into me, I don't know how, ask them!"
JWG | | I know the voices aren't real, but sometimes they're right! | |
| Steve Beaumont Founding Member Adjuster Homeless Gypsy's-Fulltime RV travelers
 Posts:277

 | | 03/19/2008 11:05 AM |
| | Auto Claim: Had just moved to Okla in the early 80's and had a total theft claim on an auto. I'm taking the statement of the owner of the vehicle and trying to decipher this new language/accent that they spoke in Okla. I'm covering all the particulars about the car, the theft and when I was almost finished the guy tells me that he would love to see how these people react when they open up the trunk. I ask why and he tells me that the trunk had a couple sacks full of live rattlesnakes in them. Not sure if this guy is pulling my chain or not (keep in mind I am a recent import from Yankee land of Illinois at this point, and carrying around a couple sacks of rattlesnakes in the trunk isn't normal behavior from there) I inquire why someone would carry those around in the trunk. Seems that they had just come from a rattlesnake roundup on Okarchee or Okeeme (Larry you probably know of the correct one) and they had a successful day of it and had all the results in the trunk. Turns out they weren't kidding on this one, but I never heard if the auto and snakes were recovered. One things for sure, once that deck lid was popped open, someone got a real surprise..... | | | |
| Bob Harvey Gold Member California, Central Coast
 Posts:378


 | | 03/19/2008 11:14 AM |
| Wow - snake city. That's a wild one.
There was always some reason why it was the other persons fault Yeah - the classic line is "they came out of no-where" (to an adjuster that means you weren't looking where you were going). I am handling 2 pedestrian claims right now, where the driver makes it sound like the guy just jumped against his window for something to do. One of them has a police report with photo of the pedestrian tennis shoe heel pushed down in the back by the tire, confirming his story that he had made it almost all the way across the front of the vehicle when he was hit in the back pocket by the front left fender. The other one has an eye witness. | | | |
| Ray Hall Adjuster Houston, TX
 Posts:783

 | | 03/19/2008 5:49 PM |
| After my first tornado when I saw the chicken feathers in the tree trunks. I was impressed with wind velocity and more so when I saw the old ridged asbestos shingles used as siding on the dwelling that was still intact (not shaddered) that were blown thru a 26 g corrigated garage door on a 2x4 frame at an odd angle and the 2 wounds appeared to be precisly cut with a metal shears. Both were on the floor of the garage, absent any marks. | | | |
| Steve Beaumont Founding Member Adjuster Homeless Gypsy's-Fulltime RV travelers
 Posts:277

 | | 03/20/2008 11:31 AM |
| Don't know if non auto or wind claims are allowed here, but I had a unique flood claim working the Peoria floods and hail storm in 1981. We got a late flood loss that came in about 3-4 weeks after the storm that was assigned to me. Property had probably 4' silt/water in it, took a week or so to recede, but the home was kept closed up until my inspection. Tenant had moved most of their stuff out shortly before the storm, with just a couple odds and ends left in the house that they never came back for. This was back in the days that there was still a lot of that thick shag carpeting around that this house had, coupled with a couple inches of silt on the floor. With the house all closed up during summer, the carpet and silt mix never dryed out completely before my inspection. There was plenty of light in the house from the windows, etc and the perfect environment for grow crops. Seems that the prior tenant wasn't much into running a vacumn, and it was also quite evident that they enjoyed smoking a bit of weed in the house. There were 2-3 rooms in the house that had probably a total of 200 pot plants about 6"-10" tall in growing out of this moist rich soil/carpet mix. The landlord was rather surprised at the discovery. I did my thing on the adjustment, took a couple extra photos of the crops, and submitted my report to the NFIP (direct to them back in those days). As all astute claim professionals should know, you should always address recovery potential on EVERY file, and this was no different. In the Salvage section I did address the potential salvage value of the carpeting/silt mix and the subsequent crops frowing in same. Never heard if they considered any salvage value or not on the final outcome. It is amazing some of the things you will run across while doing inspections of properties after an event, especially from a cause of loss that is so sudden that the property owners can't clean up or put stuff away in time before the inspection. | | | |
| Rocke Baker
Michigan
 Posts:50

 | | 03/20/2008 8:07 PM |
| In the 70's, I was a staff adjuster in San Antonio, TX. We had one poor insured who lived at the bend of a street not to far from Randolf AFB. At that time the US was training Iranian pilots as this was before the Shaw was still in power and Iran was a "friend" of the US. Each group of student pilots from Iran had a leader. Whatever type of vehicle the leader bought, the rest also bought. Needless to say their driving skills were not that great. This poor insured had his house hit three times by the crazy student pilots (must have been a contest to see who could get their car in the farthest). I handled the second and third losses. The second loss had a Mercedes in the house and the third had a PINTO! The insured said the first loss had a Caddy in the house. As I was talking with the insured, a blue vehicle that said on the doors "US Air Force, for official use only". An officer got out asked who the owner was. When our insured he was, the officer asked who I was. After I told him, he said I could leave and close my file as the US goverment would be taking over from now on. Hopefully they bought the insured out and turned the property into a giant sand pit to catch runaway cars.
Tom, you will get a kick out of this. One of my neighbors was originally from Jordan and was a contract flight instructor at Randolph during this time. He told me that since he could speak Fassi, he had the joy of being one of the instructors for the Iranians. His comment to the student when they were first allowed to take the stick was that Allah may be great. However, while they were in his plane he was great and had no objection to firing them out of the plane if they tried anything similar to their driving skills. He had no desire to meet his Maker any sooner than he was supposed to. | | | |
| Ray Hall Adjuster Houston, TX
 Posts:783

 | | 03/20/2008 9:04 PM |
| A small child in the front seat was able to push or pull the console shifter into reverse while his father was driving about 70. It was all covered by the comprehensive coverage as I recall many years ago. In 2005 I worked for some of the London Underwriters( non admitted)who were still insuring some of the mobile homes under the auto form in Rita claims and it had an $250.00 limit on living expense with flood coverage for the building and its contacts with a stated amount for both. Some of you folks will be getting some of these this week it appears. | | | |
| Ray Hall Adjuster Houston, TX
 Posts:783

 | | 03/20/2008 9:21 PM |
| Never worked a auto striking a large pig, but the one who have always agree it caused the vehicle to over turn on its top and slide to a rest if the driver is lucky. Worked an auto liability claim when the electrician did not secure the step ladder on the rack secure enough. It flew through the windsheild of the following auto driven by a last year female MD at the University of Texas and knocked her right eye out. Had low limits of liability coverage and in the days before under insured coverage. Has had a life long impact on me and each time I see a ladder on the freeway I get angry again. | | | |
| Mike Kunze
Nebr
 Posts:375

 | | 03/20/2008 11:45 PM |
| Your ladder brings to mind the rear semi trailer wheel/tire that came off on I-80 after dark. It glided down the inside lane, then thru the median & came out of the darkness and into contact head-on with with another vehicle. The driver of the car reported to me she vaguely recalled what she initially thought was a deer or cow coming into her path before the airbag blew up in her face. Next thing she recalled was being upside down in her car hanging from the seatbelt. Turns out she was in the opposite lanes of the interstate, and had also collided head-on (in the air) with another vehicle. The driver of that vehicle was not so lucky. We were never able to obtain a statement, as she was expected to remain in a vegetative state. That was about 6 years ago. The driver of the semi had no idea anything had happened except for another trucker who was behind him and saw the wheel come off. That witness had no idea of what had happened as a consequence either, but for several miles was on his CB radio trying to get the attention of the driver who had lost his wheel. After finally making contact, the trucker got pulled over into a rest stop and found out for himself that he had indeed lost the rear left duals. With a partially empty/light load, he hadn't had a clue. So , while he's on the phone to his company and arranging for maintenance, the State Patrol pulls up and informs him of the ensuiing accident that had occurred. Must be a thing with me, and wild tires/wheels. Had another similar to this, but with very limited damages occurring and no one hurt...plus I was following a semi once on the same stretch of I-80 and witnessed myself a rim/tire come off. That baby travelled right down the adjacent lane side by side with the truck for maybe a quarter of a mile before it lost momentum, tumbled into the median and laid over before crossing into the oncoming lanes. I'm pretty hesitant to stay along side any semi on the interstate since then, and my eyes are always on the medians when seeing oncoming trucks. Also, back in my college days, I was on my way back to school after Xmas break behind a tire company pickup that was delivering 2 brand new rear tractor tires to a farmer. The pickup hit a large pothole and both tires jumped out of the box into my path. But my '66 Chevy pickum' up was tougher than they were. All it did was knock a little rust off the front bumper and crack one headlight. But the light still worked, and there never was a police report or a claim made. But I think my back is starting to ache a little now. Do you think it's too late? Thanks for starting this thread, Ray. It's almost like being around the campfire without smelling bad the next morning. | | | |
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