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campbelldukeUser is Offline


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05/31/2007 10:51 PM  

If a carrier requires 10 hits per square and you can only find 7-8 hits per square, how do you explain to the insd that their insurance company does not owe to replace their roof?  How do you tell them that there are approx 400 damaging hail hits to their roof BUT it is not really damaged so they are not getting a new roof.  Then how do you explain to them that they will be getting an estimate for a minimum roof repair of $200 bucks to "repair" 400 damaged shingles?

 

Also, do you guys pay to replace dented vents when there is no damage to the shingles?  Technically they are damaged.

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06/01/2007 12:56 AM  
7 x number of sq x cost per shingle

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06/01/2007 7:43 AM  
Peter that doesn't really address his question.

There is no law requiring a certian number of hits per square that quantifies repair versus replacement. So each insurance company gets to decide for themselves what criteria they are going to use. This is true in many states, I personally do not know of any state that has a law regarding this issue. Keep in mind that each insurance company may use research that has been published that helps assist in identifying damage, but none of the research I've ever read breaks down how many hits per square are needed to recommend roof replacement.
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06/01/2007 10:50 AM  
True, only addressed the last part of the comments. This is a challenge that has caused many an address to spend extra time looking for those elusive last 2 hits per sq. I never discuss the amount of hits per sq, I explain that based on my inspection, the roof is repairable. Depending on the nature of the hits, I might call and recommend to the company that they replace this roof. Also some Insureds are smart enough to know when to be a squeeky wheel. You can be sure that if he has 8 hits a sq most of his neighbors are getting new roofs. He will also have a hard time finding a roofer who would repair damage at that level. More then once I have revised a house like that with the company re-inspector (or supervisor) and have been to told replace.

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06/01/2007 11:37 AM  

You need to figure out when the cost to repair the hit shingles will exceed the cost to replace a square of shingles and explain it to the homeowner. Ask your supervisor to explain it to you.

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06/01/2007 7:31 PM  

My, My,

Guess you should go to work for a vender that total's every roof.  Then you could be called a true West Texas Roof Jumper.

Houtz

 

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06/02/2007 12:07 AM  
I understand how the system works, my point of the post is that I think it is stupid to give a repair estimate on a roof that has 7 real (not a roofer scratching a wear and tear spot with his finger) hits per square. It is obviously damaged. The life of the roof is compromised due to the hail. I think you are joking Ray but I am not sure. How exactly do you repair a hail hit shingle??
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06/02/2007 2:32 AM  

If you are serious about becoming an adjuster read some of the many threads on this subject. Then answer  your own question.


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06/02/2007 2:34 AM  

A fairly new roof can be repaired shingle-by-shingle, but an old roof maybe cannot. 

I understand the frustrations of the initial poster, because certain carriers I've worked for required 7-8 hits and others 10-12 (which I personally feel is excessive).    However, the 10-12 hitters said if the repair factor exceeded 60% of RC (including steep & height), then that qualified same as total.   For instance, as Peter said, 7 hits @ $8/ea = $64.   I would use 1.3 factor for waste & adjacents, for total of  7 X $10.40 or $72.80 per sq.  Figure your 60% from there, and you might be close to total loss depending on geographical area. 

Sometimes you might have homes on the same block.  Can kinda make you look foolish if they are next door neighbors, and one is totalled while the other isn't.  But I have had it happen many times, in the case of an old roof vs. a new roof. That's where you just have to explain repairability.   It can be done on newer roofs...not as easily on older ones.   You old guys have seen it plenty of times, I'm sure.  No damage evident on one roof, and down the street it looks like it got hammered...just due to age and vulnerability.

This is just a personal opinion formed from my mentors while a staffer for 3 different carriers, prior to being an independent.  Go by what your carrier or manager tells you.  Or hope the carrier has a local staffer with authority that can make the call for you based on your observations and recommendations.    

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06/02/2007 7:35 AM  
Sorry about the quick remark I made.
1.. do a second set of TQ's
2. all hail damage does not make the same impact marks
3. check into the repairability of the shingles.
4. secure roofing company estimates reflecting a total loss.
5. review with your storm superivisor
6. or do the thing that you have been hired to do, and that is to say to the insured that your roof is repairable and this will be my write up to your carrier.

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